Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state?

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   / Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state? #111  
Wow. What started as a simple question about cycling while carrying openly and the fairness of requiring a permit to do so has evolved into a verbal battle about gun control and rights.

As a very conservative Southern man, with a father and grandfather who served as policemen for 70 years, and as a prolific hunter, firearms owner, CWP holder, and lover of weapons of all types, you can't call me a northeast liberal. But I gotta agree with IslandTractor. Most cyclists don't need firearms to keep them safe. But of course, if he or she feels otherwise, by all means carry. But just get trained and get a legal permit first. Why is that so controversial??

I carry sometimes. It depends on where I am going. If others want to carry 24/7, sleep with their .44 mag under their pillow, by all means, do so. But don't carry if you're not permitted legally, and don't ( at least in my state) carry openly or you'll get arrested.
 
   / Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state?
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#112  
Wow. What started as a simple question about cycling while carrying openly and the fairness of requiring a permit to do so has evolved into a verbal battle about gun control and rights.

As a very conservative Southern man, with a father and grandfather who served as policemen for 70 years, and as a prolific hunter, firearms owner, CWP holder, and lover of weapons of all types, you can't call me a northeast liberal. But I gotta agree with IslandTractor. Most cyclists don't need firearms to keep them safe. But of course, if he or she feels otherwise, by all means carry. But just get trained and get a legal permit first. Why is that so controversial??

I carry sometimes. It depends on where I am going. If others want to carry 24/7, sleep with their .44 mag under their pillow, by all means, do so. But don't carry if you're not permitted legally, and don't ( at least in my state) carry openly or you'll get arrested.

And those who know me here on TBN know I enjoy starting threads here that create a multitude of opinions. My feelings are how will you learn from others unless they disagree with your viewpoint?
 
   / Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state? #113  
As a very conservative Southern man, with a father and grandfather who served as policemen for 70 years, and as a prolific hunter, firearms owner, CWP holder, and lover of weapons of all types, you can't call me a northeast liberal. But I gotta agree with IslandTractor. Most cyclists don't need firearms to keep them safe. But of course, if he or she feels otherwise, by all means carry. But just get trained and get a legal permit first. Why is that so controversial??

My problem with this thread is not expecting training, knowledge and a permit to carry where required. That should be obvious. It's when others try to willfully and wantonly restrict that permit and the rights that come with it and decide when and where one can exercise those rights. We're not speaking of every cyclist. I'm not suggesting every cyclist should carry. I won't address open carry on a bike because I see flaws in that issue. However, if it is legal to do so, I say don't bash those that choose to exercise that right. As for the gun haters, we'll always have haters no matter what the issue.

As for women's issues and whether a bunch of men should be allowed to decide what they can and cannot do is a huge problem. Generally speaking, restricting their right to choose for themselves. Funny how men want to restrict the pill for women but do not fight against their unfettered access and insurance paying for their blue pills. They have a right to carry but a woman should only carry where a man thinks it's appropriate?

Equality is a word most men have never understood the meaning of. Proof is in the hundreds or thousands of laws that have been necessary forcing equality over the decades. Now we have a politicized Supreme Court that doesn't understand the meaning or concept of equality and keeps trying to create a new definition.

Perhaps another example is in the military. Where men, some who are rapist themselves, are in charge of investigating charges of rape.

Okay, I quit.
 
   / Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state? #114  
In Illinois no open carry allowed as far as I know. I usually carry when riding a bike for reasons that I haven't seen mentioned, dogs. They love to chase people on bikes, I haven't been bit yet but I have been worried more than once. For someone that wants to carry on a bike, there are lots of options. You can't wear tight biker pants or shorts but something like a Ruger LCP can fit into a pair of shorts pretty easy.

Island Tractor, kids grabbing your guns? Really? Of all the things I worry about when riding my bike it isn't some kid grabbing my gun. One of the most quoted stats by anti gun people is that a gun will more likely harm a family member than protect them. ITS NOT TRUE!
 
   / Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state? #115  
Island Tractor, kids grabbing your guns? Really? Of all the things I worry about when riding my bike it isn't some kid grabbing my gun. One of the most quoted stats by anti gun people is that a gun will more likely harm a family member than protect them. ITS NOT TRUE!

I wasn't talking about grabbing the gun while cycling. It was a reference to the Washington mother at Walmart whose 2 yo kid reached into her purse and pulled out the perfectly legal handgun and killed her.

My point is simply that it is hard to have a readily available loaded weapon that kids cannot get ahold of. Double edged sword. Several tragic examples already this year.

It is relevant as cycling does not seem to be a high risk activity so the negative side of carrying is important to assess. I wouldn't argue with a woman who worked as a movie teller and walked home at night in a bad neighborhood or something like that. Simply put, as handguns are inherently risky, there needs to be a rationale evidence based reason to choose to carry one. I don't see that with women cycling.
 
   / Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state? #116  
This was about people on bikes. Then why did you bring it up? Getting in your car and driving it is inherently risky. Don't you think its up to each individual to make that decision? The OP didn't ask your political opinion, he is looking for answers, not arguments. I think we all know where you stand by now.
 
   / Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state? #117  
This was about people on bikes. Then why did you bring it up? Getting in your car and driving it is inherently risky. Don't you think its up to each individual to make that decision? The OP didn't ask your political opinion, he is looking for answers, not arguments. I think we all know where you stand by now.
People on bikes need a place to keep their gun handy. The gun then obviously isn't locked away and there is a risk, admittedly small, that a kid could grab it while mom is dealing with the bike etc. The mom who was killed in Walmart was not doing anything obviously dumb. She's still dead and her children are motherless. There are risks associated with handgun carry no matter how much you would like to ignore them.

If the OP wants an answer, the answer is quite simply that available data shows there is insufficient risk of violence to a woman while cycling to justify bringing a gun along. That's not a political opinion, that is based on review of DATA. If you have other relevant DATA please bring it to our attention as otherwise you are the one just taking a political stance.
 
   / Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state? #118  
Open carry or concealed carry in Kansas with no permit, the way it should be. I think we all can conclude that where you live has a lot do to with state and local gun laws.
 
   / Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state? #119  
People on bikes need a place to keep their gun handy. The gun then obviously isn't locked away and there is a risk, admittedly small, that a kid could grab it while mom is dealing with the bike etc. The mom who was killed in Walmart was not doing anything obviously dumb. She's still dead and her children are motherless. There are risks associated with handgun carry no matter how much you would like to ignore them.

I don't often agree with IslandTractor...rarely, actually...
But a person carrying a pistol must always have control of the pistol. The lady in the Iowa Walmart had her gun in a purse...not under her direct control (meaning on her person).
As I'd written in an earlier response to this thread, if one is going to carry a firearm while riding a bike (or motorcycle), they need a holster that retains the firearm as well as provide quick access. I'm not a should holster fan, but if I was going to carry on a bike or motorcycle, I'd carry in a quality shoulder holster.

BTW, when I do carry (99% of the time), it's either in a pocket holster or a OWB holster...sometimes a vest pocket if I'm carrying the LCP.
 
   / Legal to open carry a pistol on a bicycle in your state? #120  
In Illinois no open carry allowed as far as I know. I usually carry when riding a bike for reasons that I haven't seen mentioned, dogs. They love to chase people on bikes, I haven't been bit yet but I have been worried more than once. For someone that wants to carry on a bike, there are lots of options. You can't wear tight biker pants or shorts but something like a Ruger LCP can fit into a pair of shorts pretty easy. Island Tractor, kids grabbing your guns? Really? Of all the things I worry about when riding my bike it isn't some kid grabbing my gun. One of the most quoted stats by anti gun people is that a gun will more likely harm a family member than protect them. ITS NOT TRUE!

Dodgeman, I have to disagree with some of what you say. First, I have no problem with you carrying ( as long as you are a permit holder and qualified). But to justify that because of dogs? I'm a longtime cyclist. I've been chased by more dogs than I care to remember. Big ones, small ones, even almost got wiped out by a chicken. But never, absolutely never would I think unholstering a handgun while being chased by dog would be wise. I cannot imagine anything more dangerous than riding a bike with one hand on the bars and another on the trigger. If I were riding with you, I would never do it again. To fire a shot in a panic situation, while going fast, is crazy. First, your chance of crashing is very great. Second your chance of injuring a bystander or fellow cyclist is also great. The chance of angering the dog owner is great. Then you're at his mercy. If he retaliates and runs you over with his truck, you lose.

When a dog chases a bike, it's by instinct. They like to chase. They also are protective of their turf (the road in front of their house). The common scenario is this. Riders go by, dog chases. Rider panics. Either you can ride faster and try to outrun ( sometimes works) but often doesn't. Then you're faced with what to do. Pulling out a weapon, in my opinion, would almost never be wise. You may say that you will stop and dismount, then pull you weapon? Probably a better choice but unnecessary. When you stop, the dog loses that instinct to chase. You now become the aggressor. Put your bike between you and the dog and yell with your meanest voice. Stand your ground. Almost all dogs will back down. Then as you move away out of his territory, he loses interest. Or do what I do if I'm sure I can't outrun him. Slow down, let him come up beside you then blast him directly in his face with a stream of water from your bottle while screaming at him to go away. It works almost every time. I can think of only one time I had to dismount.
Dogs are very dangerous to cyclists! But almost never is the injury a bite. It's usually a crash caused either by the rider panicking and doing something stupid that either crashes him or perhaps a riding companion beside him. Or by the dog chasing one rider and then being hit by the following rider the dog doesn't see. Or the dog cutting in front of you and clipping your front wheel, causing you to crash.But regardless, I would rather have a nip on my calf than crash at 30 mph. Crashes will break collarbones, fracture skulls, and generally mess you up.

I just don't see how having a weapon changes this dynamic. Oh, pepper spray is ok, but I've found I get more on me than the dog. And the range is still only a few feet, so you've got to let the dog get in close. A water bottle blast and a loud yell works just as good for me.

So not trying to argue, but I think carrying a weapon to deal with dogs is not wise. Carrying one for protection against two legged threats is another matter, and is your choice to make. Lastly, shoot someone's beloved pet, even in the road in front of his house, is a situation destined to escalate. Either the owner is going to prosecute you, or chase you in a vehicle to confront you. You lose either way.

Be safe on that bike!
 
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