Wind Turbine ********. Just opened the mail and seen the plan for three massive units

[MossRoad]

At any time I drive by a wind farm, half the turbines aren't spinning. I assume because of noise complaints, or because of breakdowns, or bird migrations.

I don't know about that. The one that's located north of Lafayette/West Lafayette, IN seems to be on most of the time. I highly doubt there are any noise complaints at that farm. We've driven out into it and the only thing you hear is the wind rushing past your ears. They are virtually silent.

 

[MossRoad]

As a county and federal tax payer think companies should pay a livable wage .....

Flipping burgers is not and was not ever intended to be considered "making a living". Its not a career. It's a part-time job for high school students to pick up some date money or cell phone money, or save for college money. Its a part-time job for college students to pay their way through college while living at home or on campus. Its a part-time job for mom's or dad's to do while their kids are at school or in the evenings to pick up some extra money to supplement their income. It's a part-time job for retired folks that want to pick up some pin money or supplement their retirement. That's what part-time jobs are supposed to be.

The real and true problem is the complete breakdown of the American two-parent family, the collapse of large sections of inner cities and the lack of jobs therein, and the reliance on the government to provide that people have come to expect as a right.

Solve the family problem and everything else will take care of itself.

Off my soap box now. :soapbox:

 

[CalG]

Flipping burgers is not and was not ever intended to be considered "making a living". Its not a career. It's a part-time job for high school students to pick up some date money or cell phone money, or save for college money. Its a part-time job for college students to pay their way through college while living at home or on campus. Its a part-time job for mom's or dad's to do while their kids are at school or in the evenings to pick up some extra money to supplement their income. It's a part-time job for retired folks that want to pick up some pin money or supplement their retirement. That's what part-time jobs are supposed to be.

The real and true problem is the complete breakdown of the American two-parent family, the collapse of large sections of inner cities and the lack of jobs therein, and the reliance on the government to provide that people have come to expect as a right.

Solve the family problem and everything else will take care of itself.

Off my soap box now. :soapbox:

MossRoad.

In order that capitalism survives, it must always have some group of human labor to exploit. Thank you for defining perpetual sources for these marked populations.

Dignity is such a difficult concept.

 

[dave1949]

Flipping burgers is not and was not ever intended to be considered "making a living". Its not a career. It's a part-time job for high school students to pick up some date money or cell phone money, or save for college money. Its a part-time job for college students to pay their way through college while living at home or on campus. Its a part-time job for mom's or dad's to do while their kids are at school or in the evenings to pick up some extra money to supplement their income. It's a part-time job for retired folks that want to pick up some pin money or supplement their retirement. That's what part-time jobs are supposed to be.

The real and true problem is the complete breakdown of the American two-parent family, the collapse of large sections of inner cities and the lack of jobs therein, and the reliance on the government to provide that people have come to expect as a right.

Solve the family problem and everything else will take care of itself.

Off my soap box now. :soapbox:

Flipping burgers or similar is the only career some people are capable of and the only type of career available with increased automation. You cannot just pretend those folks do not exist. Do you think they deserve a living wage, or should they be partial financial wards of the state forever?

 

[aczlan]

Flipping burgers or similar is the only career some people are capable of and the only type of career available with increased automation. You cannot just pretend those folks do not exist. Do you think they deserve a living wage, or should they be partial financial wards of the state forever?

They very much exist, but from what I understand, if you show up and work hard, you won't me making minimum wage for long at most fast food restaurants.
On the subject of choices, would you prefer that they be partial wards of the state, or full wards of the state when their employer figures out its cheaper to automate them out of a job than to lose money on a lazy employee?
We pay for it either way, in increased costs for food and other stuff to offset the expense of higher minimum wages or in taxes.

Aaron Z

 

[MossRoad]

I'm always humbled when getting schooled by folks from Maine and Vermont regarding what it's like to live in inner-city ****-holes....

 

[MossRoad]

Waiting for Rhode Island to chime in....

 

[dave1949]

They very much exist, but from what I understand, if you show up and work hard, you won't me making minimum wage for long at most fast food restaurants.
On the subject of choices, would you prefer that they be partial wards of the state, or full wards of the state when their employer figures out its cheaper to automate them out of a job than to lose money on a lazy employee?
We pay for it either way, in increased costs for food and other stuff to offset the expense of higher minimum wages or in taxes.

Aaron Z

First, we need to make a distinction between something "more than the minimum wage", and a living wage.

Second, shame on us if we support a system that makes it easier but more expensive to create wards of the state (Section 8 housing, earned income tax credit, SNAP food stamps, ACA heavily subsidized health insurance, school breakfast and lunch, Medicaid, and whatever else) than to pay people for honest work.

I certainly agree we pay either way, but I know which way I would prefer to pay. As it stands now too many people enjoy their apparently cheap burger while complaining about the welfare bums they have to support. That is pure idiocy.

If you want strong, cohesive and traditional families you need to be willing to put them on a reasonably sound financial basis that will provide the needed stability.

 

[dave1949]

I'm always humbled when getting schooled by folks from Maine and Vermont regarding what it's like to live in inner-city ****-holes....

So, you are claiming you live in a Bell Curve-free zone?

 

[k0ua]

Flipping burgers is not and was not ever intended to be considered "making a living". Its not a career. It's a part-time job for high school students to pick up some date money or cell phone money, or save for college money. Its a part-time job for college students to pay their way through college while living at home or on campus. Its a part-time job for mom's or dad's to do while their kids are at school or in the evenings to pick up some extra money to supplement their income. It's a part-time job for retired folks that want to pick up some pin money or supplement their retirement. That's what part-time jobs are supposed to be.

The real and true problem is the complete breakdown of the American two-parent family, the collapse of large sections of inner cities and the lack of jobs therein, and the reliance on the government to provide that people have come to expect as a right.

Solve the family problem and everything else will take care of itself.

Off my soap box now. :soapbox:

Spot on if you ask me.:thumbsup: