Kubota, Kioti quotes

[MessickFarmEqu]

The second thing is that it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison. You'd have to look at a Grand L to get similar features on a Kubota, and that would bump the price a fair amount. Then you're looking at a $25K tractor versus something in the range of $33-35K.

Exactly what features do you think are lacking?

 

[GManBart]

Exactly what features do you think are lacking?

A Kubota dealer who doesn't know what features the MX lacks compared to a NX?

As far as I know, the MX doesn't offer the following:

-Auto PTO setting.
-PTO cruise control.
-True ground speed cruise control for the HST.
-Anti-stall protection.
-Auto-throttle for the HST system.
-Turn assist control option.
-3pt control lever at the rear of the tractor.
-Mid-PTO option.

The Kioti also has about 4gpm more total pump flow, almost 900lbs more 3pt lift at 24", weighs 450lbs more, has one size larger tires in the 5510 and 6010 models), 2mph higher top speed, and 21% more FEL lift capacity (although to 3" lower height, so those numbers are actually closer than 21%).

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

A Kubota dealer who doesn't know what features the MX lacks compared to a NX?

Yea, those are Grand L features. I don't know Kioti well at all. I had no idea they had come that far with their transmission. The Kioti dealers around us don't do much with them. Its been years since I've even seen one. MX5200 and L4760 are approx the same price. You'd have some choice there if you want the heavier Cat 2 rear end, or the bells and whistles that come with a GL.

 

[TSO]

Yea, those are Grand L features. I don't know Kioti well at all. I had no idea they had come that far with their transmission. There are really no good dealers anywhere near us. Its been years since I've even seen one. MX5200 and L4760 are approx the same price. You'd have some choice there if you want the heavier Cat 2 rear end, or the bells and whistles that come with a GL.

I'm confused. Doesn't the L 4760 have more rear lift than the MX 5200? How does the MX have a heavier CAT 2 rear?

 

[paulfun9]

Yea, those are Grand L features. I don't know Kioti well at all. I had no idea they had come that far with their transmission. The Kioti dealers around us don't do much with them. Its been years since I've even seen one. MX5200 and L4760 are approx the same price. You'd have some choice there if you want the heavier Cat 2 rear end, or the bells and whistles that come with a GL.

I would think someone who sells tractors would keep tabs on their competition. They stole this customer right out from under you as I priced several machines at your dealership and went with Kioti as well as did a few of the locals around me. I will say that if I was to buy an other Kubota I would not hesitate to buy from you as I was treated very well by all your staff when I was there, all my questions were answered and my phone calls were returned promptly. Overall my experience was good and I do recommend you to anyone I talk to that is looking for a Kubota so not all is lost.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Yea, those are Grand L features. I don't know Kioti well at all. I had no idea they had come that far with their transmission. The Kioti dealers around us don't do much with them. Its been years since I've even seen one. MX5200 and L4760 are approx the same price. You'd have some choice there if you want the heavier Cat 2 rear end, or the bells and whistles that come with a GL.

I liked the cab layout better on the Kioti NX than everything else on the market. The removal of the dial in favor of the single button on the latest version of the Grand L was a drop dead turn off for me. Massey, Deere, and Kioti all use a dial to adjust the electric HST, just like Kubota once did. That said, the two-speed HST Kubota offers is better than what else is out there, but not enough to over-come what I felt were short-comings.

That said, I have no idea why Kubota isn't marketing the bejesus out of the auto hitch.

 

[coobie]

Yea, those are Grand L features. I don't know Kioti well at all. I had no idea they had come that far with their transmission. The Kioti dealers around us don't do much with them. Its been years since I've even seen one. MX5200 and L4760 are approx the same price. You'd have some choice there if you want the heavier Cat 2 rear end, or the bells and whistles that come with a GL.

I bet GM,Ford,Chrysler did not see the Toyota and Honda invasion coming back in the 1980,s.IMHO Kioti is up and coming in the tractor world.You say you don,t see very many of them in your neck of the woods,I bet you will seeing more in the near future.

 

[Grateful11]

First off I don't think there's anything wrong with Kioti. We have a dealer about 25-30 minutes away that's been there I believe since Kioti came to the US. We stopped in there when my son was looking for a new tractor this Spring. Told them what we were looking for and they gave us some ballpark figures and that's as far as it went, just too close in price to go with Kioti over the Kubota.

Now I know you're not looking at the Kubota Grand series but it's been brought up, there's no comparison to the MX to Grand L series, ride, noise(especially the gear whine of the transmission) and even solid feel, the MX just doesn't even come close to the Grand. If you can get a Kioti with HST and all the other features someone listed for a lot less than a Grand L or even the MX you should buy it. The seat on the MX sucks and so does all the tranny whine, it's a worker but it's a stripped down worker and that's basically what he was looking for and something without a DPF and that was a left over MX5100.

As far as Kioti being the up and coming tractor, I just don't see it. We just don't many people running Kioti tractors even with a close by dealer. Kubota is scaring the crap out of Deere, evident by their huge barrage of YouTube videos slamming Kubota, even one saying how Kubota is designed to fail. Our local JD dealer that's actually 20-some dealerships has gone so far as to buy 3 Kubota's just to take to their Demo Days and Open House's to park them beside Deere's to make a comparison and have their sale people slam it. Even had one guy tell us how you can't put a side arm long reach boom mower on a Kubota because the Kubota will break half, geez. At our local dealer they compared a 5055E with a cab to an MX5100 gear drive, pretty unfair comparison if you ask me. The funny thing was most of the folks there were commenting on why they were doing the comparison at all. A couple were even talking about Kubota's they owned and had never had any trouble out of them at all. I think the whole thing makes Deere look desperate. Deere makes good stuff just don't like their marketing these days. The 5065M here, you couldn't pry away from my wife and son, they recently test drove a JD 5085E wanting to get a bit more HP for certain tasks and after driving the 5085E said they wouldn't touch it no way, no how over the M series.

I know I've gone off on a tangent but I'm done now.

 

[s219]

First off I don't think there's anything wrong with Kioti. We have a dealer about 25-30 minutes away that's been there I believe since Kioti came to the US. We stopped in there when my son was looking for a new tractor this Spring. Told them what we were looking for and they gave us some ballpark figures and that's as far as it went, just too close in price to go with Kioti over the Kubota.

Now I know you're not looking at the Kubota Grand series but it's been brought up, there's no comparison to the MX to Grand L series, ride, noise(especially the gear whine of the transmission) and even solid feel, the MX just doesn't even come close to the Grand. If you can get a Kioti with HST and all the other features someone listed for a lot less than a Grand L or even the MX you should buy it. The seat on the MX sucks and so does all the tranny whine, it's a worker but it's a stripped down worker and that's basically what he was looking for and something without a DPF and that was a left over MX5100.

As far as Kioti being the up and coming tractor, I just don't see it. We just don't many people running Kioti tractors even with a close by dealer. Kubota is scaring the crap out of Deere, evident by their huge barrage of YouTube videos slamming Kubota, even one saying how Kubota is designed to fail. Our local JD dealer that's actually 20-some dealerships has gone so far as to buy 3 Kubota's just to take to their Demo Days and Open House's to park them beside Deere's to make a comparison and have their sale people slam it. Even had one guy tell us how you can't put a side arm long reach boom mower on a Kubota because the Kubota will break half, geez. At our local dealer they compared a 5055E with a cab to an MX5100 gear drive, pretty unfair comparison if you ask me. The funny thing was most of the folks there were commenting on why they were doing the comparison at all. A couple were even talking about Kubota's they owned and had never had any trouble out of them at all. I think the whole thing makes Deere look desperate. Deere makes good stuff just don't like their marketing these days. The 5065M here, you couldn't pry away from my wife and son, they recently test drove a JD 5085E wanting to get a bit more HP for certain tasks and after driving the 5085E said they wouldn't touch it no way, no how over the M series.

I know I've gone off on a tangent but I'm done now.

I agree with most of this -- in my area (I am surrounded by farms) it's Kubota and Deere, and if you look at market share of CUTs, they are #1 and #2, and the rest of the field is way back at #3 and up. By numbers, neither Kubota or Deere would be concerned about Kioti right now.

Where I disagree is that I do think Kioti is up and coming. How quick and how far remains to be seen. I would definitely consider a Kioti for a future purchase, though they'll have some big shoes to fill to compete with my nearby Deere and Kubota dealers.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I agree with most of this -- in my area (I am surrounded by farms) it's Kubota and Deere, and if you look at market share of CUTs, they are #1 and #2, and the rest of the field is way back at #3 and up. By numbers, neither Kubota or Deere would be concerned about Kioti right now.

Where I disagree is that I do think Kioti is up and coming. How quick and how far remains to be seen. I would definitely consider a Kioti for a future purchase, though they'll have some big shoes to fill to compete with my nearby Deere and Kubota dealers.

I was told that in the CUT space, by unit sales, Kioti had moved into #2 behind Kubota. Reading through the company 10K, clearly the company expected to do a land grab in market share projections.

To help frame the issue: A Deere 4066R was 20K more than the price I paid for my Kioti NX6010, the Kubota Grand L6060 was 12K more, and the Massey MF1758 was 6K more than what I paid for my Kioti NX6010.

Moreover, in my view, the cab layout of controls is better in the Kioti NX series than the other machines, a thing that was one of the two selling points with me (with noise being the second), so the Kioti was getting the nod before the price was factored in. FWIW, I began the purchasing process convinced I was going to buy a Massey MF1758 because they are so pretty.