The Sorry State of Today's Journalism

[Sodo]

What if you heard gunfire, and there happened to be another sheepdog in Walmart. Are you guys going to determine correctly, in a split second, (before the next gunshot) that the wolf is not you/him? Remember that to preserve his own safety the wolf has to shoot you first.

Certainly, there are people who can do this. Maybe one in 20? One in 10? I don't know, but if theres guns in walmart (other than behind the counter) I highly doubt they are behind skilled, trained hands. You guys who are trained are the one in ten (or 20) and the rest of us are justifiably concerned about the other 9 (or19).

 

[ovrszd]

What if you heard gunfire, and there happened to be another sheepdog in Walmart. Are you guys going to determine correctly, in a split second, (before the next gunshot) that the wolf is not you/him? Remember that to preserve his own safety the wolf has to shoot you first.

It is very easy to "create" scenarios against the concept of arming the Sheep Dog.

It's also very easy to "create" scenarios where the only one armed is the Wolf and his intent is to kill everyone in the store.

So,,,, would we rather have 1 Sheep Dog killed in the process of defending the Sheep?

Or,,,, would we rather have the Sheep all be killed?

 

[ovrszd]

Let me also add, 99% of the time I can instantly identify the Sheep Dog from the Wolf by doing what the Sheep hate most, "Profiling".

 

[Sodo]

Everybody profiles. Sheep profile sheepdogs. :laughing:

 

[ovrszd]

Everybody profiles. Sheep profile sheepdogs. :laughing:

That is very true. But it seems lately we have a segment of society that won't admit that they too profile.

 

[jlgurr]

Let me also add, 99% of the time I can instantly identify the Sheep Dog from the Wolf by doing what the Sheep hate most, "Profiling".

AMEN! I am so tired of Politically Correct preventing application of Common Sense.

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[Jstpssng]

What if you heard gunfire, and there happened to be another sheepdog in Walmart. Are you guys going to determine correctly, in a split second, (before the next gunshot) that the wolf is not you/him? Remember that to preserve his own safety the wolf has to shoot you first.

Certainly, there are people who can do this. Maybe one in 20? One in 10? I don't know, but if theres guns in walmart (other than behind the counter) I highly doubt they are behind skilled, trained hands. You guys who are trained are the one in ten (or 20) and the rest of us are justifiably concerned about the other 9 (or19).

You raise a good point. Every Right holds an equal amount of Responsibility. Does a 4-8hour CCP course mean that you can make proper choices under stress?(i.e., gunfire) For some it is... The rest of us though should consider advanced training comparable to that of a LEO.

 

[ovrszd]

You raise a good point. Every Right holds an equal amount of Responsibility. Does a 4-8hour CCP course mean that you can make proper choices under stress?(i.e., gunfire) For some it is... The rest of us though should consider advanced training comparable to that of a LEO.

I totally agree with this!!!!! In Missouri, if we had 2 or 3 or 4 locations where academy type hands on training could be incorporated into the CCW training I believe it would sort this out. The true Sheep Dogs would rise to the top and the Sheep would realize their position.

I've spent days and days and days of training in these types of scenarios. Even the most avid Sheep Dog will face his/her maximum capabilities and tolerances. Which, when you think about it, is the intent.

I find it a bit disturbing that CCW training does not do this. Sitting in a classroom watching videos or playing out paper exercises of scenarios is a waste of time. To truly understand yourself you need the roar of gunfire and the smell and taste of exploded gun powder in your mouth.

Not intending to point fingers, I'll just ask this question to be considered with no request for an answer. How many CCW holders reading this thread have had to draw their weapon, loaded with safety off, and point it at another human?? Even smaller number would be, how many reading this thread have pulled the trigger in such a situation??

You need to consider this in your own mind. If you think there would be any hesitation or problem with doing that then you need to consider further training. While there you might decide you are the wrong person to be carrying that weapon.

 

[murphy1244]

You raise a good point. Every Right holds an equal amount of Responsibility. Does a 4-8hour CCP course mean that you can make proper choices under stress?(i.e., gunfire) For some it is... The rest of us though should consider advanced training comparable to that of a LEO.

We just had a policeman jump on the bad guys hood and let go 15 more rounds, so yes I think I could do better than that.

 

[Sodo]

I totally agree with this!!!!! In Missouri, if we had 2 or 3 or 4 locations where academy type hands on training could be incorporated into the CCW training I believe it would sort this out. The true Sheep Dogs would rise to the top and the Sheep would realize their position.

I agree in theory but not in practice. What I see in this scenario is 1 in 10 at the top, a few "near the top", and a few near the bottom who are unlikely to realize their position as sheep. Perhaps angry because while their handling skill & knowledge of guns are exemplary, their attitudes are deemed unacceptable and likely to put the public at risk

Are you going to trust your wife/family to these guys? How many years does this arrangement survive before there is a disagreement between factions. Or a connection with crime or "other" political parties? I predict you would be dissatisfied within half of a generation.

I prefer folks to direct energy and concern (for public safety) towards supporting and refining a reliable police force that is answerable to the public.