Need Help - F24 Overheating

[careyo63]

Is it still opening? May want to remove and boil it and check it's opening. I see you done that. Double check it and agree to check the housing that it's not leaking there. No leaks there probably the Water Pump. If the Pumps Dry it very well could be the Radiator.

 

[adt2]

Where ever the leak is you need to find it. Don't just keep taking it apart.

Believe me, I would LOVE to stop taking this thing apart. Problem is I couldn't see where the leak was coming from without removing some stuff. Of course now I can't start the tractor to observe it anyway, so I'm not sure I've gained anything.

 

[adt2]

I like to start simple, and work toward hard, and cheap toward expensive.

Agreed.

We have a glaring problem with the the leaking cooling system. That wasn't present before, apparently, so it must have happened as a result of re-assembly after the radiator was replaced.

Much as I hate to admit it, I think this is probably correct, too. I thought I was very careful when removing and replacing the radiator and associated hardware, but it just seems like too much of a coincidence for it to be something else at this point.

In the diagram from water pump housing up, there is what looks like an O-ring, the thermostat, then a gasket, and finally the top hose mounting elbow. Are those parts on, in that order? If so, are they intact, correctly aligned, and properly torqued? Is the hose itself cracked? Is it fully seated over the elbow? Is the hose clamp properly attached?

All those parts are present and accounted for. When I removed the radiator, I didn't remove anything else that wasn't required to get to the radiator. All the hoses I detached at the radiator-end connection, leaving the other end intact wherever it was attached (i.e. water pump, drain hole, etc.). Maybe we cracked a hose getting it off (or back on), but it appeared to me (what little I could see) that the water was coming from the underside front of the water pump. There just wasn't a way to see it without sticking my face into a spinning fan blade.

...go to the auto parts store and rent a radiator pressure tester...and isolate the leak's location.

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that. Pressurizing it without the motor running would make for much easier inspection. I'll try that this weekend.

To the poster asking about messing with the thermostat - my thought process was this: Okay, now that the radiator has been fixed, there's this massive leak coming (apparently) from the area where the t-stat is installed - that wasn't there before! Maybe the radiator wasn't working before and now that it is it's sending fluid down that hose and it can't go anywhere because I installed the t-stat wrong or maybe the t-stat is broken...while I'm elbows-deep here maybe I better check it...

Anyhow, I tested it and it's working. And I apparently had it installed correctly (spring-down, toward the water pump). So something else must be the issue.

 

[winston1]

Are you saying it does not leak unless running? Have you felt the weep hole on the water pump?

 

[adt2]

Not sure, Winston. It didn't leak before I started it (after reassembling). Then it leaked a bunch, and as I recall it kept leaking for a little while after shutting down (but that could've just been drips working their way down to the pavement from up above somewhere).

This morning is the first I've heard of the weep-hole on the water pump, so I haven't checked that. I'll see if I can find it when I get back over there.

 

[clemsonfor]

Agreed.



Much as I hate to admit it, I think this is probably correct, too. I thought I was very careful when removing and replacing the radiator and associated hardware, but it just seems like too much of a coincidence for it to be something else at this point.



All those parts are present and accounted for. When I removed the radiator, I didn't remove anything else that wasn't required to get to the radiator. All the hoses I detached at the radiator-end connection, leaving the other end intact wherever it was attached (i.e. water pump, drain hole, etc.). Maybe we cracked a hose getting it off (or back on), but it appeared to me (what little I could see) that the water was coming from the underside front of the water pump. There just wasn't a way to see it without sticking my face into a spinning fan blade.



Thanks, I hadn't thought of that. Pressurizing it without the motor running would make for much easier inspection. I'll try that this weekend.

To the poster asking about messing with the thermostat - my thought process was this: Okay, now that the radiator has been fixed, there's this massive leak coming (apparently) from the area where the t-stat is installed - that wasn't there before! Maybe the radiator wasn't working before and now that it is it's sending fluid down that hose and it can't go anywhere because I installed the t-stat wrong or maybe the t-stat is broken...while I'm elbows-deep here maybe I better check it...

Anyhow, I tested it and it's working. And I apparently had it installed correctly (spring-down, toward the water pump). So something else must be the issue.

Didnt Carey and I mention a pressure testor back like a month ago and on the other post? Or you just had not thought of useing one now to pressureize the system?

Also a tip, look at the tanks on the radiator, the top and bottom one. they will pull those sometimes when cleaning it and they may have not got the gasket set back right or it may not just be completly sealed with soder if that how these seal...i am not really sure as i havent looked and dont know my old school radiators to well. Basically what i am saying is that there is a chance that if the shop took a tank off they when they put it back on they did not get it sealed up well. Which could...i say could be a source of a leak.

 

[clemsonfor]

Agreed.




All those parts are present and accounted for. When I removed the radiator, I didn't remove anything else that wasn't required to get to the radiator. All the hoses I detached at the radiator-end connection, leaving the other end intact wherever it was attached (i.e. water pump, drain hole, etc.). Maybe we cracked a hose getting it off (or back on), but it appeared to me (what little I could see) that the water was coming from the underside front of the water pump. There just wasn't a way to see it without sticking my face into a spinning fan blade.

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This makes it sound to me like you have a bad water pump, which could of caused all of this strage and FAST overheating problems from the get go. Is there excess play on the shaft that comes out of the front of the water pump?

YOu can stick your head under the tractor while its running. I might use safety glasses if its dripping real bad to protect your eyes but you can see the hole were talking about. Any water or rust spots like it has been leaking are not good, a sign of worn seals and bearings, and should be replaced.

 

[adt2]

Didnt Carey and I mention a pressure testor back like a month ago and on the other post? Or you just had not thought of useing one now to pressureize the system?

Yes you did, and I went and borrowed one from auto parts place and used it as specified...but at that time I had no idea I was supposed to be looking for a leak at the water pump.

 

[adt2]

This makes it sound to me like you have a bad water pump, which could of caused all of this strage and FAST overheating problems from the get go. Is there excess play on the shaft that comes out of the front of the water pump?

YOu can stick your head under the tractor while its running. I might use safety glasses if its dripping real bad to protect your eyes but you can see the hole were talking about. Any water or rust spots like it has been leaking are not good, a sign of worn seals and bearings, and should be replaced.

I'll get under there and check it out this evening or tomorrow morning. I'll have to reassemble everything again in order to get it running, but I can leave all the body panels off so I can inspect everything.

 

[careyo63]

If you can pressure it up your see it. If you try checking it running, Just remember make sure you have pressure and start at the top and work your way down. Thermostat, Hose down to the Water Pump, Hoses to the Radiator, Radiator. Also by running it and the Leak is in the Radiator the fan will blow fluid everywhere. So make sure the inside of the Fan Shroud isn't wet from a Radiator leak.