Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition

   / Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition #41  
The part-time dealer who bought mine sold it at a large markup percentage - and I'm fine with that. It took him almost three months and who knows how many tire kickers. I live 30 miles out of town, so I might never have gotten a buyer at that price. Lastly, I disclosed the known issues to him, so if the engine swallows a valve, cracks a head, or blows a gasket tomorrow, he can deal with it.
 
   / Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition #42  
Wooly -

Interesting thread.
I'm all for free enterprise, nothing against looking for deals and trying to make a few $$.
However, misrepresenting an item is simply wrong. Given your situation where you have exercised due diligence to confirm the misrepresentation, if it were me, I would send a warning to the dishonest flipper that you will report him to the internet fraud complaint center, which is listed on one of the CL tabs. See what his response is, and act accordingly.
Or you can flag him, but that will probably not stop him from re-listing items.
 
   / Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition #43  
The question I ask myself is if the part-time dealer who bought yours sold it at a large markup percentage, or listed it at a large markup percentage that allowed him to negotiate down to a modest profit?
 
   / Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition #44  
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   / Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition #45  
The question I ask myself is if the part-time dealer who bought yours sold it at a large markup percentage, or listed it at a large markup percentage that allowed him to negotiate down to a modest profit?

He asked nearly 3x what he paid, and sold it for more than double. OTOH, I am far enough out of town to give pause to many buyers, and work too much to call my availability good. It was more likely to be stolen from me than sold at the price he got. I have no doubt that he failed to disclose the overheating problems that I disclosed to him, though.

I was happy to sell it for $1500. He listed it for $4200, and I'd bet got more than $3000. He's the only prospective buyer I had actually drive up to see it. It might go another 30 years down there on the valley floor pulling a 4' rotary cutter, but it might only last 30 minutes until it boils over. Regardless, I sold it with full disclosure for a price that was agreeable to me, and ended my association with the tractor at that point.

When my wife and I got married, she had a '76 Olds Cutlass that had been beaten to death. Had almost 200k miles on it. It needed a quart of oil with every tank of gas - not burning, LEAKING. The front end was worn out, so it ate tires. But they were very popular cars. I put it in the newspaper (before Craigslist) for $1500, got lots of calls, only one grizzly older guy came to see it after getting full disclosure. He arrived in a '64 Chevy stepside, complete with mismatched body panels, rusted doorsills, and a horse blanket on the otherwise bare seat. He didn't care about the issues, 'cuz he was a "mechanic". Offered me $700 cash and the pickup. I knew I could sell a running pickup in Bakersfield for at least $500, and I doubted I'd get $1200 any other way, so we swapped pink slips and away he went. The wife came home and wanted to know when the owner of the world's ugliest pickup would be back for his truck. She was less than pleased to find she was talking to him (me). Calmed down when I told her I was selling it.

The next morning, I told her I'd probably need a ride home from work as I'd be taking my "new" truck. She asked why I was taking it if I didn't think it would get me home, and I told her I expected to have it sold that day. She was skeptical, but off I went. I was opening manager of the Circuit City store at the time, so as I let employees in the door I pointed out the truck and told them I'd sell it for $600 if the knew anyone who needed a work truck. The janitor called his brother, and two carloads of family came to see it. The brother (a very large young man of color) offered me $500, and I declined. The family huddled up in the parking lot, and he came back with $580. I accepted, then handed him back $20 to fill the gas tank. Called the wife for a ride home. The following morning, the mechanic called and wanted to return the car and get his money and truck back. Seems the Cutlass leaked oil, as advertised. Told him no, as I had not misrepresented the car in any way. He agreed that he'd inspected the car, that I'd disclosed the leaks, that he'd seen the oil all over the bottom of the car before he'd bought it - but his wife was unhappy with it. I told him MY wife was unhappy with the truck, so I'd sold it. End of discussion.

About three weeks later, my view was filled with that same huge young man of color - he was looking for ME. He flashed a million dollar smile, stuck out his hand, and thanked me again for selling him that truck. Seems he'd never been able to keep a job, because he'd never had reliable transportation before. That ugly old Chevy was doing great for him, and he was grateful that I'd sold it to him. It was getting him to work every day.
 
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   / Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition #46  
Teachu2, that's a great story!
 
   / Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition #47  
I have to say that reading this thread has been a great disappointment to me.

This idea that . . its just business . . . or that is just how things go . . . or "I'm not my brother's keeper" . . . is more than just sad . . . its pathetic.

Let's start with the person who started the thread . . he had both a moral dilema and a personal dilema and a genuine sense of concern.

And what did nearly 40 people express? Buyer beware.

Have you no awareness that Craigslist could be altered greatly should officials discover these type of things on their own??

I heard the word "dishonest" mentioned many times . . . how politically correct of many of you. Fraud is a legal term punishable by fines and jail time in virtually every state in the nation. It is defined as deliberate lies told to solicit money as a business enterprise.

I read only 1 person out of 40+ who even suggested contacting Craigslist. And if you don't think they wouldn't investigate and take action . . you are totally unaware. Ebay paid millions in fines.

Here are the issues in most states or federal:

IRS . . A person selling an indivual's owned item at profit is considered none income tax related . . but a person in the business of buying and selling is required by federal law to report gains and losses.

State dept of revenue . . same as IRS situation.

Commerce across State lines for purposes of intentional fraud or deception for profit. State Attorney General's office.

State Dept. Of revenue for sales tax collection for businesses in the same state (not individuals but for persons in the business of buying and selling)

Local/County/State police . . the practice of intentional and willfull fraud and deception with intent to profit as a business enterprise.

if you want Craigslist to stay the positive opportunity it is . . . then everyone of you should have ebcouraged the thread creator as follows in my opinion:

Thread creator . . thank you for noticing this very disturbing pattern of abuse. As you know this pattern violates the CL terms of service as well as several potential legal issues and also harms our users. Please don't think about eye for an eye or ignoring this. You are correct to worry about how others might be harmed and right to be concerned for CL as well. None of us desire restrictive controls be placed and added on to CL. Please do not report your concerns to the perpetrator as your safety is important. Report all you knoe to Craigs List and they will pursue all channels and efforts.

Personal note: This example the thread creator highlighted is GLARINGINGLY illegal . . and not just a "boys will be boys" scenario.

Wake up people . . You either stand tall or sit small on ethics and personal responsibility . . . remember . . your kids and grand kids and neighbor kids watch your moves in life.

Axlehub
 
   / Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition #48  
I have to say that reading this thread has been a great disappointment to me.

This idea that . . its just business . . . or that is just how things go . . . or "I'm not my brother's keeper" . . . is more than just sad . . . its pathetic.

Let's start with the person who started the thread . . he had both a moral dilema and a personal dilema and a genuine sense of concern.

And what did nearly 40 people express? Buyer beware.

Have you no awareness that Craigslist could be altered greatly should officials discover these type of things on their own??

I heard the word "dishonest" mentioned many times . . . how politically correct of many of you. Fraud is a legal term punishable by fines and jail time in virtually every state in the nation. It is defined as deliberate lies told to solicit money as a business enterprise.

I read only 1 person out of 40+ who even suggested contacting Craigslist. And if you don't think they wouldn't investigate and take action . . you are totally unaware. Ebay paid millions in fines.

Here are the issues in most states or federal:

IRS . . A person selling an indivual's owned item at profit is considered none income tax related . . but a person in the business of buying and selling is required by federal law to report gains and losses.

State dept of revenue . . same as IRS situation.

Commerce across State lines for purposes of intentional fraud or deception for profit. State Attorney General's office.

State Dept. Of revenue for sales tax collection for businesses in the same state (not individuals but for persons in the business of buying and selling)

Local/County/State police . . the practice of intentional and willfull fraud and deception with intent to profit as a business enterprise.

if you want Craigslist to stay the positive opportunity it is . . . then everyone of you should have ebcouraged the thread creator as follows in my opinion:

Thread creator . . thank you for noticing this very disturbing pattern of abuse. As you know this pattern violates the CL terms of service as well as several potential legal issues and also harms our users. Please don't think about eye for an eye or ignoring this. You are correct to worry about how others might be harmed and right to be concerned for CL as well. None of us desire restrictive controls be placed and added on to CL. Please do not report your concerns to the perpetrator as your safety is important. Report all you knoe to Craigs List and they will pursue all channels and efforts.

Personal note: This example the thread creator highlighted is GLARINGINGLY illegal . . and not just a "boys will be boys" scenario.

Wake up people . . You either stand tall or sit small on ethics and personal responsibility . . . remember . . your kids and grand kids and neighbor kids watch your moves in life.

Axlehub

Well said Axlehub...well said. It's all about integrity and being ethical. Have I bought things and sold them at a profit on CL? Absolutely....and always with FULL disclosure.
 
   / Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition #49  
Well said Axlehub...well said. It's all about integrity and being ethical. Have I bought things and sold them at a profit on CL? Absolutely....and always with FULL disclosure.

I agree completely. However, to approach Craigslist as a buyer with the assumption that all sellers are ethical is naïve at best.

Any enterprising IRS investigator could make a career off Craigslist.
 
   / Opinons wanted on Craigslist competition #50  
Well said Axlehub...well said. It's all about integrity and being ethical. Have I bought things and sold them at a profit on CL? Absolutely....and always with FULL disclosure.

I think our country goes the way its average person goes. We grew by the struggle and efforts of common people and often "grew our leaders" to be the historical names.

Just today on the media it was announced that our sister state . . Minnesota . . is the 3rd highest state for insurance fraud in the country (CA, FL, then tiny MN). APPARENTLY its mob related car collision claims and intentional sudden stops to get hit.

Every day I hear people talking about kids today . . . too often with a hopeless tone.
Decades ago there would be those types of conversations too . . about us . . . but their generation showed a level of effort and determination and integrity that "spoke" much louder and stronger to kids of my generation than the voices of others. Its our turn now to act with determination and demonstrate that the almighty buck and a "Me 1st" isn't what built this country.

I would have thought on a tractor related site that everyone would have been keenly aware of a similar thinking . . . . .
 

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