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[Steppenwolfe]

Lying and being dishonest might be in your nature..... but not all us humans purposly lie and misinform ppl just to sell something.

In my nature??? Why don't you actually read my post before making such an idiotic statement.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Yes. I think the biggest problem with America today is people want their rights and freedoms, but not the duties and responsibilities that come with those rights and freedoms. We have right to make a good living, but also a duty to make an honest living, for just one example.

Very well put. I'd rather hang out with an honest ditch digger, than a lying millionaire.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Steppenwolfe, I'd propose that many on their wedding day have an intention but not the awareness of the effort required. They aren't planning on "not fulfilling" their vows . . . . . . . they are operating with a learner's permit.

But that is EXACTLY when adults need to be both involved and opinionated in their ACTIONS. Those adults are the people around the couple. It is our responsibility to set good examples . . not lazy examples.

Like fresh film (or a flash drive) in a camera . . Young people need to be exposed to adult positive behaviors. Then when they grow and "develop their pictures . . . There is something good and worthwhile on that picture.

An Axleism: "it takes an adult to build another adult . . it takes a young person observing to blossum to a good adult".

Every day I hear somebody say "let em figure it out for themselves". Makes perfect sense to me . . but only if they were taught the principles first. "Nobody did me any favors and I came out good enough" is another common excuse.

What's "good enough"? Just get by . . Or excel at your abilities ? And then were you exposed to parents or relatives or other adults who were better than poor examples or did you firget what they contributed?

When this thread started one younger person had a need for some leadership and more than 40 of our fellow tbn members failed to offer that leadership.

So I opened my big mouth and took a stand. Its not fun. It doesn't even mean I'm right . . but I'm not willing to give up on those younger than me. If I or you or any of us who know better are willing to "go along to get along" . . Then we won't go very far.

If I or any of us want a better youth group or a better country or better government . . . crabbing about it doesn't make it happen. We have to motivate and enervate those who know better but stand silent. We may well need better government leaders . . But certainly we need more adult participation in growing our younger generations.

Jmho.

When I was a teenager I took a job on a farm for a couple that had no children. He was an old WW 2 vet, and quickly became my mentor. We became fast friends and stayed that way till the day he died about 15 years later. Hardly a day goes by that I don't think about him and his wife, and what they brought to my life. I wouldn't be where I am without them. Axel has it right.

 

[AxleHub]

When I was a teenager I took a job on a farm for a couple that had no children. He was an old WW 2 vet, and quickly became my mentor. We became fast friends and stayed that way till the day he died about 15 years later. Hardly a day goes by that I don't think about him and his wife, and what they brought to my life. I wouldn't be where I am without them. Axel has it right.

Steppenwolfe . . . In early 1986 I already had long been exposed to ethics and a good series of growing up living . . But in that year I was immersed in the beginning of 3 years of humility training. My very first customer of a business I started walked in the door. Sure wasn't much to look at. A farmer in his work clothes . . looked like he'd come from a time machine 1950 era . . . jack-o-lantern teeth . . Weathered skin . . . etc.. A high school diploma was his high water mark . . but he'd had a large dairy operation and too little staffing for it. So he taught himself how to program the crude computers of very early 1980s . . got an engineer 1500 miles away to build parts for him . . . and he and his brother built the first computerized milking barn in the upper midwest. Lightening killed it a year later. And then consultants for their feed mixes slowly killed their cows . . but as everything else was going tough is when I met him and he was starting yet another business effort with the last scraps of money they had left and a large farm and animals they worked daily.

For 3+ years I helped him and didn't make alot of money but made a lot of experience in what people with their backs to the wall . . can actually accomplish.

I've had lots of exposures in my life of the good and bad . . . and they are what makes me whatever I am. I was 30 when the experience detailed above started . . so I was not a kid.

Education in school is merely the training on how to be able to start learning in life.

I've always been surprised that calluses on hands aren't a measurement of value anymore to many people . . . regardless of my career efforts to date . . . I've never been without them.

 

[varmint]

Perhaps a bit off topic, but maybe not. In the 70's, I was part owner of a stereo equipment store next to a university. It was a very good business to be in, then. One afternoon a large, coveralled, rough-looking smelly farmer strayed into the store. He was very much out of place, and no one on the staff approached him (might have been the overpowering odor of pig poop?) I greeted him with an extended hand, spent some time showing him what I thought was good gear- he asked for good gear- and then he said "I'll take it!". When we settled up, it was for a considerable sum, and when I asked if it would be credit card or check, he said neither, and pulled out a tight roll of greenbacks about the size of a baseball. When he had paid, the roll was hardly diminished. You don't judge a man's worth by his appearance, and someone working for me lost a sizable, easy commission that day. It's the rich guys you have to watch out for often- it's about the money, not the honor.