to keep people off of my land!
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This -><- is supposed to be a sarcastic emoticon, and I guess it sorta, kinda is but I wish there was something better. One thing is for sure, I don't know how to make a better sarcastic emoticon. :laughing::laughing::laughing:
Maybe take this
Later,
Dan
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That was good for a much need laugh this afternoon! :thumbsup::laughing::laughing::laughing:
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Dr_Zinj
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Here's some good signs that ought to be fairly effective:
Shooting Range and Gun Signs
I like the one with "Blind Man Hunting."
New Hampshire unfortunately has the progressive-liberal-idiots stance on firearms and trespassers. Few years ago there was a big to-do and trial with Mr Ward Bird who was convicted and sent to prison for felony threatening with a firearm. Ward Bird had a previous run in with the law a couple decades ago for shooting within town limits (no one and no property injured or damaged), and since then had been an upstanding citizen: scout leader, rescued some folks who drove their car into a river, etc. His accuser, was a woman previously convicted of criminal animal hoarding, and a known nut job. He was recovering from serious surgery when his daughter called saying that this woman may end up at his place in spite of her giving explicit directions and warning her to not go there. Sure enough, she pulls into his yard. He comes out with his pistol in his holster on his hip and supposedly yelling profanities to get off his property. they trade insults. She turns to leave. He get back up on his porch and clears his weapon before going back inside. She thinks he's threatening her. She testifies that he waved the gun at her. He says he did no such thing. No other witnesses, and he gets convicted. Evidence of the woman's past convictions weren't admitted. Ward Bird's physical condition wasn't admitted. Bird ended up in prison for 70+ days and sentence was only commuted, not full pardoned, after a massive state-wide call for the Governor to release him. The woman has since gone on to other crimes.
Sodo raises a valid point. Trespassers could be there by accident, or attempting a friendly visit to you. For what it's worth, common law says that you can generally cross anyone's property without permission as long as the property is not posted, you aren't causing damage, aren't committing other crimes, and aren't violating their privacy (basically you're no closer than 300 feet of any of their buildings or structures.)
Now I'm going to add a couple of caveats. First thing is to call 911 if you can. At least you can get the cops on their way, or let them know you have a situation. If someone comes on your property uninvited and is armed, you have the right to confront them with a loaded weapon. That includes confronting alleged uniformed law enforcement. If I don't know you personally, then you're not a cop; you're a criminal impersonating one. That does mean you need to be on a personal relationship with your local cops, which isn't a bad thing. Any uninvited hunter carrying arms within 300 feet of my house is automatically breaking the law, not to mention it being an enhanced crime. I've had hunters circle my home just inside the tree and brush line, well inside the 300 foot limit. Let me tell you, that creeps me out to no end. Especially since I've found tree stands put up without permission, and illegal drugs left in the stands. Just what we need, stoned poachers shooting at every sound or moving bush. And don't get me started with their leaving smoking materials smouldering in the leaf litter in the woods.
Shooting Range and Gun Signs
I like the one with "Blind Man Hunting."
New Hampshire unfortunately has the progressive-liberal-idiots stance on firearms and trespassers. Few years ago there was a big to-do and trial with Mr Ward Bird who was convicted and sent to prison for felony threatening with a firearm. Ward Bird had a previous run in with the law a couple decades ago for shooting within town limits (no one and no property injured or damaged), and since then had been an upstanding citizen: scout leader, rescued some folks who drove their car into a river, etc. His accuser, was a woman previously convicted of criminal animal hoarding, and a known nut job. He was recovering from serious surgery when his daughter called saying that this woman may end up at his place in spite of her giving explicit directions and warning her to not go there. Sure enough, she pulls into his yard. He comes out with his pistol in his holster on his hip and supposedly yelling profanities to get off his property. they trade insults. She turns to leave. He get back up on his porch and clears his weapon before going back inside. She thinks he's threatening her. She testifies that he waved the gun at her. He says he did no such thing. No other witnesses, and he gets convicted. Evidence of the woman's past convictions weren't admitted. Ward Bird's physical condition wasn't admitted. Bird ended up in prison for 70+ days and sentence was only commuted, not full pardoned, after a massive state-wide call for the Governor to release him. The woman has since gone on to other crimes.
Sodo raises a valid point. Trespassers could be there by accident, or attempting a friendly visit to you. For what it's worth, common law says that you can generally cross anyone's property without permission as long as the property is not posted, you aren't causing damage, aren't committing other crimes, and aren't violating their privacy (basically you're no closer than 300 feet of any of their buildings or structures.)
Now I'm going to add a couple of caveats. First thing is to call 911 if you can. At least you can get the cops on their way, or let them know you have a situation. If someone comes on your property uninvited and is armed, you have the right to confront them with a loaded weapon. That includes confronting alleged uniformed law enforcement. If I don't know you personally, then you're not a cop; you're a criminal impersonating one. That does mean you need to be on a personal relationship with your local cops, which isn't a bad thing. Any uninvited hunter carrying arms within 300 feet of my house is automatically breaking the law, not to mention it being an enhanced crime. I've had hunters circle my home just inside the tree and brush line, well inside the 300 foot limit. Let me tell you, that creeps me out to no end. Especially since I've found tree stands put up without permission, and illegal drugs left in the stands. Just what we need, stoned poachers shooting at every sound or moving bush. And don't get me started with their leaving smoking materials smouldering in the leaf litter in the woods.
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Dr_Zinj;
Just a few thoughts.
> Trespassers could be there by accident, or attempting a friendly visit to you.
Accident? With clearly posted signs? If they can't read, they shouldn't be driving. "Friendly Visit?" I have posted signs saying to stay out. My signs are me trying to be nice. When that fails, I fall back on not being nice.
> Now I'm going to add a couple of caveats. First thing is to call 911 if you can.
They are 45-60 minutes away. We are the largest county in the state with the fewest badges per acre or per person. Not going to bother them for a simple trespass.
> If someone comes on your property uninvited and is armed, you have the right to confront them with a loaded weapon.
Thankfully in my state, anyone, armed or not, trespassing on my property is going to be confronted by me, armed.
> That includes confronting alleged uniformed law enforcement.
I will still be armed but non-threatening. Probably offering my restroom and a cup of coffee. Remember, we are an open carry state. Not likely to find fake cops out here.
> Any uninvited hunter carrying arms within 300 feet of my house is automatically breaking the law, not to mention it being an enhanced crime.
Anyone hunting on my property without a written document in their immediate possession from Me giving them permission to hunt on my property is a criminal. Again, confrontation.
> And don't get me started with their leaving smoking materials smoldering in the leaf litter in the woods.
In rural Oregon, during fire season, let me catch you smoking on my property (illegally) and you're probably going to be seated against that tree at gunpoint if necessary while we wait for the law to arrive. Northern CA and Oregon have very large nasty fires every fire season. We are more than a bit touchy on the subject. My land is forested.
There are many advantages to not living in the city. I have 6 residents in a 5 mile radius. Criminals rarely come twice.
Just a few thoughts.
> Trespassers could be there by accident, or attempting a friendly visit to you.
Accident? With clearly posted signs? If they can't read, they shouldn't be driving. "Friendly Visit?" I have posted signs saying to stay out. My signs are me trying to be nice. When that fails, I fall back on not being nice.
> Now I'm going to add a couple of caveats. First thing is to call 911 if you can.
They are 45-60 minutes away. We are the largest county in the state with the fewest badges per acre or per person. Not going to bother them for a simple trespass.
> If someone comes on your property uninvited and is armed, you have the right to confront them with a loaded weapon.
Thankfully in my state, anyone, armed or not, trespassing on my property is going to be confronted by me, armed.
> That includes confronting alleged uniformed law enforcement.
I will still be armed but non-threatening. Probably offering my restroom and a cup of coffee. Remember, we are an open carry state. Not likely to find fake cops out here.
> Any uninvited hunter carrying arms within 300 feet of my house is automatically breaking the law, not to mention it being an enhanced crime.
Anyone hunting on my property without a written document in their immediate possession from Me giving them permission to hunt on my property is a criminal. Again, confrontation.
> And don't get me started with their leaving smoking materials smoldering in the leaf litter in the woods.
In rural Oregon, during fire season, let me catch you smoking on my property (illegally) and you're probably going to be seated against that tree at gunpoint if necessary while we wait for the law to arrive. Northern CA and Oregon have very large nasty fires every fire season. We are more than a bit touchy on the subject. My land is forested.
There are many advantages to not living in the city. I have 6 residents in a 5 mile radius. Criminals rarely come twice.
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You never know if their lost or casing your place to rob later!- if anyone is foolish enough to break into my house they don't have to worry about me calling 911!.Under Wisconsin law I can use deadly force because a man house is his CASTLE!.
Stick895
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Since VA is an open carry state, esp. on your own property, should be no problem with carrying a firearm.
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Add to that? My wife is from Japan and is 5ft almost 100# with a language barrier. My adult son is autistic. They both need protecting.
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Look back at the NH case that was mentioned earlier in the thread. The trespasser was looking to buy property and was apparently on the wrong property, thinking she was on a for-sale property. That is a case where it's reasonable to think the no-trespassing signs don't apply to you. After all, as far as you know the owner is looking to sell, and a real estate agent has sent you there to look at the property (you don't know you're on the wrong property and the one for sale is actually next door), so why would you consider yourself a trespasser? In the NH case she even asked the guy if this was the property and was greeted with profanity and, in her opinion agreed to by a jury of locals, being threatened with a gun. I did some research on it and there was one prominent pro-gun site whose commenters concluded that the land owner was dangerous and irresponsible and didn't have much sympathy for him, notwithstanding the political uproar that followed his conviction. Not every situation is a black and white as people like to think and you might be letting yourself into some serious trouble making statements along the lines of "It's my property with no trespassing signs so by definition that makes me in the right."
I do sometimes wonder about private subdivision roads that have "no trespassing" signs next to real estate signs that say "house for sale in here, come look."
I ran into that many years ago because there is a flag lot behind mine. When it went on the market, people going to look at it were often on my land not realizing it wasn't part of the parcel for sale, partially because the seller didn't exactly advertise that it was a flag lot. When I saw them I would just go out and politely shoo them off and show them where the boundaries are. Once they realized it's a flag lot with a 300 foot driveway required to get to the opening, they usually lost interest. I ended up buying it myself, problem solved.
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