Forecasters warn that "Godzilla El Nino" could hit U.S.

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   / Forecasters warn that "Godzilla El Nino" could hit U.S. #31  
not sure if Blob or El-nino wins but in Ohio we have been having lows at 50F or below today's high 66F and tomorrow 64 is weatherman's guess for HIGH temp somewhere about 20F below normal...

Global warming is a hoax look for long term charts on Earths temp ave over real time lines of say 100-million years to get a basic average based off science not manipulated data. Anyone that has ever looked for fossils or dug up some bedrock can see all the sea creatures 100's of feet above current water levels should know where it used to be...

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Anti climate change crowd ....
 

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Anti climate change crowd ....

Off-topic rabbit trail:



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Global Warming 97 Percent Consensus Actually 76 People.

The facts of the original survey, from which the famous 97 percent consensus was derived, are as follows:

The online survey was conducted in 2008 and contained "up to nine questions." The 97 percent figure was based upon the answers to two of those questions.

10,257 individuals were invited to participate in the survey. These individuals represented "broad range of Earth scientists." Of the 3146 people who actually completed the survey, just 79 of them by the standards of the survey were published experts in the field of climate science.

The first of the two questions focused on was "When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?" Hardly a very scientific question; the mere inclusion of the word "generally" immediately strips this particular question of any scientific credential. In answer to this question, 90 percent of respondents answered "risen". If one were to go into the street and ask ordinary Americans, who express a belief in global warming, how much the Earth's temperature has risen over the past 100 years, most of the answers will range wildly from six or seven degrees to thirty degrees or more. The actual increase is in dispute, depending on which source one chooses to believe, and ranges generally from 0.5 to 1.2 degrees.

The second question honed in on to produce the 97 percent "consensus", was "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?" Again, hardly a scientific question. "Do you think? and "significant contributing factor" are both completely unquantifiable terms. Of the few survey participants who could actually claim to be "climate scientists", 76 of 79 answered "risen" to the first question and 75 out of 77 answered "yes" to the second.


It turns out, therefore, that the famous 97 percent consensus on global warming is based upon nothing more than the opinions of 76 or 75 people and the answers that they gave to two unscientific and unspecific questions in an online survey.

Source: Global Warming 97 Percent ‘Consensus’ Actually 76 People | Guardian Liberty Voice

Now lets sit back and consider in the following video what really is the the point of disagreement by the climate skeptics.


At the end of the day, the skeptics case rests with the actual data, whereas the human caused climate change case rests upon climate models and the assumption made that seek to predict future climate.

Meanwhile, over at NASA, lets consider the relationship of one of the finest climate models and its relationship to observed data.

The NASA CO2 model claims the following:

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"Scientists had assumed that the CO2 increases in the atmosphere were emitted in the northern hemisphere largely due to industrialization and coal burning power plants. They created a computer animation to show where they believed CO2 was emitted and how it traveled around the globe. They were hoping that their new satellite would bolster their theory but the data came back saying just the opposite that the primary sources of CO2 on the planet are coming from below the equator from the tropical rain forests."

But when actually measured the biggest CO2 producers are tropical forests. SNAP!

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What the actual measured data clearly shows is that the multi-million dollar model developed on super computers by top their climate scientists is in point of fact completely wrong by actual measurement from space. The big idea here is that biomass from rain forests produce more CO2 than humans. The assumption on the model was that people are the big polluters, but that failed to play out by actual measurement. It's NASA, and so I suspect they will release more information as they get it.

NASA's Spaceborne Carbon Counter Maps New Details | NASA

Notice on the link it says Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

The top image is a screen grab from a video on NASA Goddard's youtube channel, an official NASA youtube channel.


You will find the video in the Earth Science section.



The video is narrated by Bill Putman. Bill works at the GMAO NASA location. Here is Bill's Bio.

http://sciences.gsfc.nasa.gov/sed/i...umpBio&&iPhonebookId=5065&navTab=nav_about_us

Brief Bio

Dr. William Putman is a research meteorologist within the Global Modeling and Assimilation Office at NASA/GSFC. He is responsible for development and integration of advanced numerical methods for atmospheric dynamics and physics parameterizations within the NASA earth system models including the GEOS modeling and assimilation system. A key element of his work is algorithm optimization for existing and emerging high end computing platforms. He received his PhD in meteorology from the Florida State University in 2007 for the implementation of the finite-volume dynamical core on the cubed-sphere geometry. The extension of the finite-volume numerics to the cubed-sphere geometry poises the finite-volume dynamical core for application on emerging peta-scale systems by allowing efficient execution on tens to hundreds of thousands of computational processors. He is involved in numerous inter-agency efforts to implement advanced dynamical algorithms for global earth system modeling, and has collaborated with various institutions including the NOAA Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory on the non-hydrostatic finite-volume cubed-sphere dynamical core, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Sciences modelE general circulation model, and the Community Atmospheric Model (CAM) at the National Center for Atmospheric Research.

Contact Info:
William M. Putman, Ph.D.
William.M.Putman (at) nasa.gov
Research Meteorologist
Global Modeling and Assimilation Office
NASA / GSFC Code 610.1
Greenbelt, MD 20771
301-286-2599
 
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Some need to wake up and smell the coffee and watch the news, Unprecedented frequency in shortened time frame of abnormal weather.
 
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Some need to wake up and smell the coffee and watch the news, Unprecedented frequency in shortened time frame of abnormal weather.

At the end of the day the skeptics case rests upon the actual data, whereas the human caused climate change case rests upon assumptions made to create climate models that seek to predict future climate. Over the years the actual data collected has contradicted and falsified the very assumptions that led to the sensational predictions of climate models.

Even so we live in an era where the political and social environment that has taught anthropomorphic climate change as the gospel in our public and private schools, and as a result, at least two generations hold to the thesis as a near religion. So-called do-gooders in collusion with our government have passed laws in order to curb the human contribution toward climate change. Politically, if it was ever admitted that the science underlying the human contribution to climate change thesis was fixed, subsidies for continuing research, education, wind, solar, ethanol, batteries, distribution and many other cottage industries would be in doubt. Multi-billion dollar industries have formed on the coattails of the human contribution to climate change thesis and many have so much skin in the game that it never mattered whether the science was true or not. Hundreds of millions have been conditioned to pay more for green technology than conventional technology and there is too much money involved, too much profit to change. Intellectually, in our centers for education, there has been too much energy put into teaching the gospel of human climate change and the philosophy will continue to be taught regardless of facts because human-caused climate change has become the orthodoxy of our day.

As a result you won already, Tom. After all, nothing would be green without CO2. :)
 
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Very well said EricRheOracle. Nice to post links proving your points and allowing the doubters to educate themselves. Sadly, it's not about facts, or science for them, it's become a religion and they believe what they want to believe because that's what they want. NASA has been caught lying about temperatures for years now. They go back and change them, but then do it again, and get caught every time because it's become such a common pattern with them.

A few silly little tidbits that seems to never get answered is what is the ideal temperature we want to planet to be kept at? If it's too warm now, how much cooler should we lower the planets temperature if we could? Since nothing we do will change the temperature, and history has proven that when the planet is warmer, there is more economic growth, more food is produced and human advancement far exceeded those periods of cooler temperatures, why do they want the planet to be cooler? And of course, how do you distinguish between the historical fact that the planet has warmed and cooled over and over again over again since life began, why is this particular period of warming that ended 18 years ago somehow caused by human activity, when the previous periods didn't have anything to do with human activity? Even more curious is why it was warmer during those previous periods of time without being the fault of humans, but it's not as warm now, and by every account, it appears we are now in a cooling trend with more ice built up on the poles then we've seen in decades?
 
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Climate change and global warming are two different things. Climate change is what I referenced and in given Geographical areas it seems very real.
 
   / Forecasters warn that "Godzilla El Nino" could hit U.S. #39  
Climate change or global warming - ain't nothin' you can do about either except argue about it. Nature will take care of it, one way or another. Always has, always will.
 
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Well sure. You dump crap in a hole and nature will eventually decompose it. But you don't want to be living in that hole while nature takes its course, do you? :laughing:
 
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