I think people tend to be 'right-legged' as much as right handed. Improving comfort and minimizing fatigue are smart and prudent selling points. Deere really does have strong ergonomics considerations to their designs--probably the leader in that perspective. Familiarity and routine make anything different potentially uncomfortable once you're used to something different. I go for the clutch in my automatic and reach for the crank with my power windows if I go a while not using the car/truck. Habits are hard to change.
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I don't have much use for independent brakes anyway. My tractor with a loader is too front heavy to brake steer. After using a gear tractor most of your life which side are you likely to instinctively push for the break?
Well, none of my tractors have ever had "breaks." They all have B*R*A*K*E*S to stop them. So, I wouldn't be looking for "breaks" on any of my tractors unless something was broken.
Do you have problems using sliding or revolving doors as opposed to hinged? It's a different design for different types of entry requirement - you just learn how it works.
The design ergonomics for a manual shift or gear tractor are different than those required for a hydraulic transmission tractor because the controls don't work the same way - like the different doors, you learn how they work and just use them.
Your apparent lack of ability to use multiple control layouts doesn't make the design bad or the designers "morons" - it just means you should probably use the type of tractor that gives you the control layout you feel comfortable using.
Personally, I have no problem going between different tractor control layouts - and, when mowing, I have used the independent rear wheel brakes in tight corners with a John Deere E-Hydro transmission. The control layout makes perfect sense. You keep your right foot on the forward pedal and use your left foot on the brake needed to control the desired rear wheel.
I simply object to labeling designers and engineers "morons" because of a personal inability to use a control layout that is different.
I'm betting that if you used a tractor with left brakes for an extended period of time, you'd become accustomed to the different layout.
My wife knocked the dog into an irrigation ditch about two weeks ago because he tried to force his way past her while she was crossing a narrow footbridge over the ditch. He no longer tries that - it only took one fall into the ditch proving that - even an old dog can learn new things...
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The control layout is the brakes and direction pedals are under the same foot! You CAN'T use them! Many, many people find this moronic!
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This post has swerved into a subject that has me scratching my head for a while. How would you operate the independent pedals on a HST? When I had my Farmall H, there were times when those brake pedals allowed me to keep from getting stuck. Also were handy when pushing snow with the blade angled. If you have cruise control it might be possible, but to control the HST pedal and finesse the brake pedals all with one foot would take a lot of practice. And I don't think the ergonomics would be all that good. Has anybody moved their pedals on their Kubota? This would make an excellent thread on it's own.
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It's fortunate that all the tractors available are really pretty good because each person will have unique requirements and desires. For what I wanted, my JD was cheaper than Kubota or New Holland and I really like the dealership. Even if Kubota had been cheaper, the single pedal HST just felt completely wrong to me. Others seem to have no issue with it. As to brakes on the left side, I've been driving tractors since I was about 8 years old and it took me about 10 seconds to adjust to that. Much easier than going from old European motorcycles with right side shift to Japanese with left side, but I survived that also (after a few unexpected shifts when I wanted to brake).
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BUT... Many, many, many people do not understand the priceless utility of the split brake capability on a tractor. Thats why it has taken many years for the mfgs to respond to the need for them to be opposite the "go pedal(s)"
,,On a gear tractor the clutch is the go pedal. On an HST the treadle is.
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With my current tractors I have left side split brakes and right side pedals for forward and reverse. My mowers have the right side F and R pedals and the brake pedal mounted over them. After many years of use I find that brakes on all four of these are rarely used even on steep hills. The only thing I use the mower brake pedal for is to depress and start it and to park it, never need it for traveling and braking. I find the same thing to be true with the compact tractors except I have used the split pedals at row ends for tight turning on occasion. These newer tractors are operated quite differently from the older 2wd gear tractors where split brakes were the normal way of making tight turns. The new compacts with their short wheel base are easily turned around without the need for split braking in most cases. The older 2wd narrow front tractors could turn on a dime but they had other stability issues that outweighed this convenience.
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I use the brake pedal on my 3032E for parking and the diff lock feature only. If you let off the hydro pedal it stops real quick. Absolutely no need for independent brakes on these compact tractors