Has anybody tried the Hi Point handguns?

[paulharvey]

Ok, I stopped reading after about page 6, but... I do have and shoot a HP .40. It is heavy, but so is a 1911; it does go bang every time, it does have low capacity mag, and it is low cost. It's not a carry pistol, and as long as you know that your fine. Trigger is fine; you pull it, it shoots. My Only actual complaint is the magazine doesn't lock in as securely as I would like.

How is it when people like something, they us heavy weight as a plus: when an M1 Garand runs out its still an excellent club; but when they don't like it, all the sudden weight is their go to complaint.

Accuracy? It's just fine, or at least mine is; if some of the elitist people can't hit with it; it's because they need $1500 to make up for their own crappy skill.

 

[Soundguy]

Ok, I stopped reading after about page 6, but... I do have and shoot a HP .40. It is heavy, but so is a 1911; it does go bang every time, it does have low capacity mag, and it is low cost. It's not a carry pistol, and as long as you know that your fine. Trigger is fine; you pull it, it shoots. My Only actual complaint is the magazine doesn't lock in as securely as I would like.

How is it when people like something, they us heavy weight as a plus: when an M1 Garand runs out its still an excellent club; but when they don't like it, all the sudden weight is their go to complaint.

Accuracy? It's just fine, or at least mine is; if some of the elitist people can't hit with it; it's because they need $1500 to make up for their own crappy skill.

My opinion of why the weight issue?

People that are sensitive to recoil like heavier guns that have less felt recoil due to inertia.

Another issue is carry. If someone is using a gun as a carry weapon, they may not like the full weight of say, a target pistol. It's all in the application.

Since you brought up the M1G.. neat gun for a collection.. but as a 'useable' rifle, I wouldn't prefer it. Gas system is tuned to M2 ball 150's.. can't stick off the shelf hunting loads in it or risk operating rod damage... thus as a hold out weapon in a disaster, you are extremely limited on ammo choices. Also, with that internal mag that uses enbloc clips, there is no topping off a mag.

On an ar or AK, if you are down to say.. 3 rounds, you have one in the chamber, yank the mag out and stuff another in. If, during that yank maneuver, a bad guy comes around the corner.. the ar/ak with a fish in the tube can fire at least. on the M1g, it's an open action when reloading...

Still a neat gun.

 

[Soundguy]

Ok, I stopped reading after about page 6, but... I do have and shoot a HP .40. It is heavy, but so is a 1911; it does go bang every time, it does have low capacity mag, and it is low cost. It's not a carry pistol, and as long as you know that your fine. Trigger is fine; you pull it, it shoots. My Only actual complaint is the magazine doesn't lock in as securely as I would like.

How is it when people like something, they us heavy weight as a plus: when an M1 Garand runs out its still an excellent club; but when they don't like it, all the sudden weight is their go to complaint.

Accuracy? It's just fine, or at least mine is; if some of the elitist people can't hit with it; it's because they need $1500 to make up for their own crappy skill.

My opinion of why the weight issue?

People that are sensitive to recoil like heavier guns that have less felt recoil due to inertia.

Another issue is carry. If someone is using a gun as a carry weapon, they may not like the full weight of say, a target pistol. It's all in the application.

Since you brought up the M1G.. neat gun for a collection.. but as a 'useable' rifle, I wouldn't prefer it. Gas system is tuned to M2 ball 150's.. can't stick off the shelf hunting loads in it or risk operating rod damage... thus as a hold out weapon in a disaster, you are extremely limited on ammo choices. Also, with that internal mag that uses enbloc clips, there is no topping off a mag.

On an ar or AK, if you are down to say.. 3 rounds, you have one in the chamber, yank the mag out and stuff another in. If, during that yank maneuver, a bad guy comes around the corner.. the ar/ak with a fish in the tube can fire at least. on the M1g, it's an open action when reloading...

Still a neat gun.

 

[RSKY]

Y'all have just about convinced me to go out and buy a High Point.

In our area there have been a lot of people come home to find somebody in their house. One lady came home from work early and this guy had stuff piled on her front porch getting ready to load in his car. Others have walked in to a gun pointed at them while the perp ran out the door. Because of this I took my Ruger .22 auto and put it in a hidden spot right at the utility room door where we usually come in the house. Have a magnetic holder on the side of a freezer. You really have to feel around to find it but if you know where it's at you can put your hands on it quick.

Sounds like the High Point would be a good, cheap, and reliable weapon to replace the little Ruger.

My question is, how much more does the .45 kick compared to the 9mm? I want something my wife would be comfortable shooting.

But then again when the SHTF my normally calm intelligent wife tends to panic. So maybe a double action revolver would be the ideal for that use. Point and shoot, no safeties, no mag release button.

Comments?

RSKY

Did a quick search and a 38 Special Rock Island revolver is available for about $100 more than a High Point. Got good reviews too. Anybody got one?

 

[MitchellB]

Y'all have just about convinced me to go out and buy a High Point.

My question is, how much more does the .45 kick compared to the 9mm? I want something my wife would be comfortable shooting.

But then again when the SHTF my normally calm intelligent wife tends to panic. So maybe a double action revolver would be the ideal for that use. Point and shoot, no safeties, no mag release button.

Comments?

RSKY

Did a quick search and a 38 Special Rock Island revolver is available for about $100 more than a High Point. Got good reviews too. Anybody got one?

My wife shoots my 1911 .45acp with no issues. She prefers my 9mm compact and really enjoys shooting my .22. Personally for self defense, I feel my pistol needs to be very simple to operate; no safeties, levers or other things to worry about mashing or racking first; just pull the trigger until the threat is stopped. Many semi-auto and revolvers will easily work for this; many will not. More experienced shooters can operate more complicated machines in times of stress, but I want simple. The caliber should be large enough to stop the threat, not wound, kill or bleed out the attacker later. Another often overlooked issue is the fit of the handgun to the person using it. All hands and finger lengths are not the same, and neither are grip sizes and trigger reach in handguns. Go to a gun store that will let you both fondle their inventory some until you can pick a few that you feel are a good fit for both you and your wife. Perhaps you'll discover you will each need a different gun. The cheapest price is not always the best buy for an intended use like self defense, but there are many good pistols available in modest price ranges that will fit your needs.

 

[paulharvey]

Y'all have just about convinced me to go out and buy a High Point.

In our area there have been a lot of people come home to find somebody in their house. One lady came home from work early and this guy had stuff piled on her front porch getting ready to load in his car. Others have walked in to a gun pointed at them while the perp ran out the door. Because of this I took my Ruger .22 auto and put it in a hidden spot right at the utility room door where we usually come in the house. Have a magnetic holder on the side of a freezer. You really have to feel around to find it but if you know where it's at you can put your hands on it quick.

Sounds like the High Point would be a good, cheap, and reliable weapon to replace the little Ruger.

My question is, how much more does the .45 kick compared to the 9mm? I want something my wife would be comfortable shooting.

But then again when the SHTF my normally calm intelligent wife tends to panic. So maybe a double action revolver would be the ideal for that use. Point and shoot, no safeties, no mag release button.

Comments?

RSKY

Did a quick search and a 38 Special Rock Island revolver is available for about $100 more than a High Point. Got good reviews too. Anybody got one?

Split the difference and get a .40 S&W Hi-Point. My wife shoots it, we'll actually, I hate to admit it, but it's hers and she let's me shoot it. It's probably too heavy for her by a hair, but recoil doesn't bother her from it. She's not a big time shooter either, I would bet she's only fired any gun 100 times or so in the past few years.

And yes, she has a bigger gun then me; I have a Makarov PM and a Cz52 .30 Tokarev.

I would like to get a .40 Carbine to go with the pistol one day, but that's the thing with guns; no matter what all you have, there is always more you'd like to have.

 

[4570Man]

I have a 44 magnum double action revolver for home defense. It doesn't get any simpler than that just point and shoot. The recoil of a 45 is drastically more than than a 9 mill. It doesn't matter if you have a 50 BMG if you miss your target ( that might actually scare someone to death). In my experience people especially women shoot a 45 worse than a 9 mill. The gun size also makes a huge difference. My full size 1911 45 is much easier to handle than my moms 380 body guard. I also have a 357 mag snub nose, but that thing is brutal to shoot.

 

[hutchman]

My opinion of why the weight issue?

People that are sensitive to recoil like heavier guns that have less felt recoil due to inertia.

Another issue is carry. If someone is using a gun as a carry weapon, they may not like the full weight of say, a target pistol. It's all in the application.

Since you brought up the M1G.. neat gun for a collection.. but as a 'useable' rifle, I wouldn't prefer it. Gas system is tuned to M2 ball 150's.. can't stick off the shelf hunting loads in it or risk operating rod damage... thus as a hold out weapon in a disaster, you are extremely limited on ammo choices. Also, with that internal mag that uses enbloc clips, there is no topping off a mag.

On an ar or AK, if you are down to say.. 3 rounds, you have one in the chamber, yank the mag out and stuff another in. If, during that yank maneuver, a bad guy comes around the corner.. the ar/ak with a fish in the tube can fire at least. on the M1g, it's an open action when reloading...

Still a neat gun.

I shoot reloads in mine. I have an adjustable gas block that ensures I don't bend the op rod.

 

[hutchman]

Y'all have just about convinced me to go out and buy a High Point.

In our area there have been a lot of people come home to find somebody in their house. One lady came home from work early and this guy had stuff piled on her front porch getting ready to load in his car. Others have walked in to a gun pointed at them while the perp ran out the door. Because of this I took my Ruger .22 auto and put it in a hidden spot right at the utility room door where we usually come in the house. Have a magnetic holder on the side of a freezer. You really have to feel around to find it but if you know where it's at you can put your hands on it quick.

Sounds like the High Point would be a good, cheap, and reliable weapon to replace the little Ruger.

My question is, how much more does the .45 kick compared to the 9mm? I want something my wife would be comfortable shooting.

But then again when the SHTF my normally calm intelligent wife tends to panic. So maybe a double action revolver would be the ideal for that use. Point and shoot, no safeties, no mag release button.

Comments?

RSKY

Did a quick search and a 38 Special Rock Island revolver is available for about $100 more than a High Point. Got good reviews too. Anybody got one?

A full size 1911 45ACP doesn't kick bad in my opinion. The gun is typically 32+ oz or more so that helps. I tried for years to get my wife to shoot a semi auto and I finally gave up and bought her a revolver. In my NRA classes I have demo pistols of all types for folks to do practical exercises on and handle. I often see people who are dead set on knowing what they want to buy but have never handled said gun before and it is always interesting to see them try the 'battery of arms' and they can't do it in a classroom much less a high stress/life death situation. Best to keep it simple.

 

[Soundguy]

Here are my opinions.

If it was a gun you actually wanted to have for other uses, I'd say pay 200$ more than a hi point and get a Rock Island basic 1911. they routinely go for 375$ at discounters, and if you look hard, farming/sports stores like rural king sometimes have 'flash' sales and will sell them for a whopping 349$.

That gets you a fully functional 1911 with basic finish, basic smooth wood grips and a single mag, plus a plastic box. A no frills 1911 for sure.. but a good one. I got one.. love it.. not bad right out of the box, it hits anything I can.

That said.. lets face it.. lookign at gunbroker.. Hi point 45's are a minscule 149$ that's... that's the price of taking your wife to the movie, buying 2 large drinks and popcorn, and then hitting a mid+ grade steakhouse and ordering something larger than 8oz or something with claws and a red tail, plus a couple drinks.

As for recoil? the hi point 45 is a brick... even in 45 it just doesn't recoil bad. My mother has a snubby air weight alloy frame 38.. it is SO light that it actually has more felt recoil than my 6" python.

True, a revolver is easier to operate than a semi auto in a panic.. IE.. grab, aim, and pull the trigger, whereas the semi auto will need the slide racked.

The issues you need to see to choose between a revolver and the semi auto are:

doing a DA pull thru on some revolvers, especially snubs, can make them wildly inacurate unless that is your trained gun. a 1/2" deflection of the bbl at the shooters hand, by the time you get to 10-15' away can be a few feet! thus a panicked DA pull thru might be throwing flyers. The semi auto will have a cleaner trigger.. even the 150$ guns.... however then you have the time delay for the slide, and the slide itself.... some people with weaker hands can't operate a slide.

My wife and mother for instance. neither can operate a standard slide on anything other than a ruger 22 that has the bolt at the rear to pull back on. I have let them try the slides on small blowback guns like .380 and .32acp, all the way up to 1911's.. neither can reliably operate a slide, and if they do, it takes them time and you can see they are struggling. I have not tried them on one of those slide assist levers.. but they are rather bulky.. might be ok for the range.. but not for the tuck and grab gun. Both of them however can shoot a revolver... my mother has the air frame as I mentioned, and the wife has a taurus 85. I'm not a wheelgun guy ( I make an exception for anything named python or anaconda and made by colt ) I like semi auto myself.

Another option would be some sore of 1 or 2 bbl derrenger type gun that fires SA.. you can get them in calibers all the way into the high 40's. that or just teach the shooter to use the revolver in SA fashion ( make sure you get a SA/DA model and not DAO ).

Sounds like the High Point would be a good, cheap, and reliable weapon to replace the little Ruger.

My question is, how much more does the .45 kick compared to the 9mm? I want something my wife would be comfortable shooting.

But then again when the SHTF my normally calm intelligent wife tends to panic. So maybe a double action revolver would be the ideal for that use. Point and shoot, no safeties, no mag release button.

Comments?

RSKY