Sticking hydro pedal

[Billrog]

I haven't brought this up until now but last winter when I bought my Kioti there was oil dripping from the tranny and the HST lever was sticking. I phoned the dealer he came out and we tested the tran pressures on the ports at the top of the trans for forward and reverse. I asked him what the should be and he said Kioti never told him. He phoned in the results and they sent a new transmission which the dealer installed ( they had my tractor for 2 days) and it's worked perfect so far 150 hrs. I put plenty of hrs. on my tractor so if there is a problem I'll have plenty of time under warranty to have it repaired. BTW great dealer and service.

 

[Coyote machine]

Ok, so you always have a boot on the rocker pedal when it's moving, I don't know why folks need it to accurately self center. Just center it by rocking your boot if you want the tractor to stop moving. I wouldn't risk life or limb on the rocker pedal neutral... use the trans neutral if you want to be safe. And I'm surprised Kioti agreed to replace any hydro pumps because of this. They have had worse after warranty issues with CK tractors and have largely ignored them, eg, the faulty injector pump known issue.

One shouldn't have to apply a work around for something like a pedal self-centering. You can do what you want on your tractor, (which is model ----/make -----? :confused3.

There are numerous solutions to fix broken injector pumps on CK and DK series Kioti's. In fact there is a sticky on the Kioti owner/user forum that details where to get them rebuilt for a small fraction of what Kioti sells them for new.
Bottom line is things break. Sometimes under warranty, sometimes the day after, and sometimes years later. There is no warranty on life, it's a crap shoot. Some are lucky, some aren't. Point is; ALL brands have defects, Kioti among them.
Safety related issues are top priority, that's why there is a ROPS retrofit program to make older non-ROPS tractors able to be made safer.
Yes, YOU personally can chose to only use the trans neutral lever to be safe, but shouldn't have to based on the design function of the rocker pedal. Having the pedal not operate as designed IS a safety issue, as well as being annoying, and should be addressed with each Kioti customer who has the issue, to work within design parameters.

I missed your location too?!

 

[halfbottle]

Ok, so you always have a boot on the rocker pedal when it's moving, I don't know why folks need it to accurately self center. Just center it by rocking your boot if you want the tractor to stop moving. I wouldn't risk life or limb on the rocker pedal neutral... use the trans neutral if you want to be safe. And I'm surprised Kioti agreed to replace any hydro pumps because of this. They have had worse after warranty issues with CK tractors and have largely ignored them, eg, the faulty injector pump known issue.

Using neutral on a hillside is another good way to die.

 

[halfbottle]

Definitely worth a try. Just recently there was a guy who had a complete engine failure at a very low hours due to manufacturing defect, I think. He was ready to give up as he was out of warranty, but we convinced him that he should try with Kioti. He pushed he dealer and Kioti, took some effort, but worth it. Kioti replaced his entire engine, although due to a mess up with the dealer he did have to pay labor. Still, brand new engine out of warranty for under a grand was a good resolution, and he is now a satisfied Kioti customer. Kioti is hard to get through to, but once you get high enough up the ladder, they often will work to make a customer happy.

Thanks Tony, I needed some positive hope at this point.

 

[halfbottle]

I haven't brought this up until now but last winter when I bought my Kioti there was oil dripping from the tranny and the HST lever was sticking. I phoned the dealer he came out and we tested the tran pressures on the ports at the top of the trans for forward and reverse. I asked him what the should be and he said Kioti never told him. He phoned in the results and they sent a new transmission which the dealer installed ( they had my tractor for 2 days) and it's worked perfect so far 150 hrs. I put plenty of hrs. on my tractor so if there is a problem I'll have plenty of time under warranty to have it repaired. BTW great dealer and service.

Glad to hear of your success with your dealer, I can't understand why some Kioti dealers are getting this problem solved for their customers and others can't. Sounds like Kioti does not have a company-wide consistent policy to deal with it. Not the mark of a company that will have widespread, consistent customer loyalty.

 

[Fuggley]

One shouldn't have to apply a work around for something like a pedal self-centering. You can do what you want on your tractor, (which is model ----/make -----? :confused3. There are numerous solutions to fix broken injector pumps on CK and DK series Kioti's. In fact there is a sticky on the Kioti owner/user forum that details where to get them rebuilt for a small fraction of what Kioti sells them for new. Bottom line is things break. Sometimes under warranty, sometimes the day after, and sometimes years later. There is no warranty on life, it's a crap shoot. Some are lucky, some aren't. Point is; ALL brands have defects, Kioti among them. Safety related issues are top priority, that's why there is a ROPS retrofit program to make older non-ROPS tractors able to be made safer. Yes, YOU personally can chose to only use the trans neutral lever to be safe, but shouldn't have to based on the design function of the rocker pedal. Having the pedal not operate as designed IS a safety issue, as well as being annoying, and should be addressed with each Kioti customer who has the issue, to work within design parameters. I missed your location too?!

Didn't mean to rattle your cage CM. I just don't think a pedal like that was ever designed to provide a dependable safe self centering neutral function anyway. I searched but can't find much regarding the design intent from Kioti except that it is a one foot operated rocker mechanism which implies to me that you couldn't possibly depend on self centering anyway unless you have a very weak ankle.... which my size 12 clodhoppers don't have.
Look... leaving a ck-hst running in gear and depend only on that rocker neutral isn't high on my list of ways to die either. But put a foot on it and you have complete control of your machine.... without the need of an accurate self centering neutral. That is obviously the way the rocker control was designed to function.
I provided a line of detail on Richyvs's injector pump spreadsheet that provides information on my tractor a long time ago. Yes, I own one... and I'd buy another if this one wears out before I do.. 1000 hours +
Keep your foot on the rocker pedal, never trust the self centering neutral function and all is good.

 

[kiotiken]

Didn't mean to rattle your cage CM. I just don't think a pedal like that was ever designed to provide a dependable safe self centering neutral function anyway. I searched but can't find much regarding the design intent from Kioti except that it is a one foot operated rocker mechanism which implies to me that you couldn't possibly depend on self centering anyway unless you have a very weak ankle.... which my size 12 clodhoppers don't have.
Look... leaving a ck-hst running in gear and depend only on that rocker neutral isn't high on my list of ways to die either. But put a foot on it and you have complete control of your machine.... without the need of an accurate self centering neutral. That is obviously the way the rocker control was designed to function.
I provided a line of detail on Richyvs's injector pump spreadsheet that provides information on my tractor a long time ago. Yes, I own one... and I'd buy another if this one wears out before I do.. 1000 hours +
Keep your foot on the rocker pedal, never trust the self centering neutral function and all is good.

I guess I disagree, I think it should dependably return to a neutral position, the two pedal set up on my DK does, every single time. And I think it's a safety issue as well, my beaten up wood shed would probably agree.
I had the exact same experience as described above. Kioti asked my dealer for pressure readings from those ports. I also had a hydraulic leak. I asked my dealer what the pressure was supposed to be and he too said he didn't know, Kioti wouldn't tell him, but the other tractors he'd seen with the problem all had similar readings. He said he thought the pressure was to low.

 

[Amvcane]

Fuggley, the obvious way the rocker control was designed to function is stated in the note box on page 5-6 in the owners manual.

 

[Coyote machine]

Glad to hear of your success with your dealer, I can't understand why some Kioti dealers are getting this problem solved for their customers and others can't. Sounds like Kioti does not have a company-wide consistent policy to deal with it. Not the mark of a company that will have widespread, consistent customer loyalty.

halfbottle, I think what the problem is with consistency is more a dealer to dealer thing than Kioti policy. Not saying Kioti shouldn't have a policy that is enforced company wide, but I think in the business of tractors and dealers some dealers are much better at providing service after the sale than others. This is conjecture on my part, based on limited experience with tractor dealers, but from what I've seen and read on TBN and in real life dealer's ability to handle complicated or expensive problems like HST transmissions varies widely. I suspect a lot are unwilling to risk losing money on jobs that may be way over their heads. I'm not justifying their behavior, just saying it may play into the inconsistent results across the board.
KK's dealer is obviously an exception, as is MIE (Michigan Iron & Equipment). You unfortunately have met with less then par dealer's who did not help resolve your issues, and that is the way I would play your cards with Kioti corporate. I did not mention the recent replacement engine case because I don't want to get your hopes for resolution too high. A blown engine with low hours is one thing, a problematic transmission is something else, and could be handled differently. It all depends, in your case on Kioti's position, and how you present yours. I hope it works in your favor.....

 

[halfbottle]

halfbottle, I think what the problem is with consistency is more a dealer to dealer thing than Kioti policy. Not saying Kioti shouldn't have a policy that is enforced company wide, but I think in the business of tractors and dealers some dealers are much better at providing service after the sale then others. This is conjecture on my part based on limited experience with tractor dealers, but from what I've seen and read on TBN and in real life dealer's ability to handle complicated or expensive problems like HST transmissions varies widely. I suspect a lot are unwilling to risk losing money on jobs that may be way over their heads. I'm not justifying their behavior, just saying it may play into the inconsistent results across the board.
KK's dealer is obviously an exception, as is MIE (Michigan Iron & Equipment). You unfortunately have met with less then par dealer's who did not help resolve your issues, and that is the way I would play your cards with Kioti corporate. I did not mention the recent replacement engine case because I don't want to get your hopes for resolution too high. A blown engine with low hours is one thing, a problematic transmission is something else, and could be handled differently. It all depends, in your case on Kioti's position, and how you present yours. I hope it works in your favor.....

Thanks Coyote, it will take a while to see how this plays out. I'll keep posting as I move along with this.