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I under stand but buckets/ loaders for work platforms are not safe, (your manual will have a warning in them that says not for carrying persons,

Good luck and hope it is not a death trap for you,
 
   / work platform on truss boom #23  
I under stand but buckets/ loaders for work platforms are not safe, (your manual will have a warning in them that says not for carrying persons,

Good luck and hope it is not a death trap for you,

Yea dat
 
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I under stand but buckets/ loaders for work platforms are not safe, (your manual will have a warning in them that says not for carrying persons,
Since i built that loader too, its manual just says "put your brain into gear before engaging the manbucket"

Good luck and hope it is not a death trap for you,
Those who live by fear, die by fear.
Once my brother tipped me over too far over a fence and a ditch, allmost horizontal. The tip circuit safety relief opened and i stopped the chainsaw, laid it on the floor of the manbucket and held on to the rail while i sank to the ground. Knowing the kinematics of my loader, i knew this could happen, but when it did, the acceleration was so slow that it scared my brother more than me, while i was the one sinking down.

Actually its only problematic when reaching out far, with a horizontal frame so i can never fall (what is fall, even if a hose breaks, the oil squirting out will have enough resistance to slow me down enough) from full height, only from 3 or 4 meters. Next time i dont rely on the driver but take full notion of the position the loader and manbucket are in.
 
   / work platform on truss boom #25  
Ever see how fast stuff drops when hydraulics fail?

But what the heck; I'm not in it!
 
   / work platform on truss boom #26  
Ever see how fast stuff drops when hydraulics fail?

But what the heck; I'm not in it!

Exactly, It wont be a easy ride down, more like a sudden drop with a hard landing. While this contrapsion might look cool, I wouldnt get in it.
 
   / work platform on truss boom #27  
I love it. Just thinking about something similar, and why I was on this site. I was thinking of placing the "manbucket" on a swivel, similar to the way a ferris wheel seat works. That way it would be self leveling. I understand some type of limiting device would have to be installed to prevent tip overs. What do you think?

Great thread

If properly tested and used with caution, I don't think it would be more dangerous than commercial lifts, and less dangerous than overextending on an extension ladder leaning against a tree or pole with a 12 foot pole saw in hand. The only thing I would avoid would be using it on a sideways incline, or near hi power lines. And you **** well better trust who ever is operating the controls. Probably not a good time to break your wife in.
 
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   / work platform on truss boom #28  
While the for mentioned safety concerns are legitimate and the danger of hydraulic failure very real, I think credit is due for coming up with a very creative solution to a problem he had. And given he has the ability to design and build both the lift and the FEL himself, he likely has a solid understanding of the danger of system failure. I would be interested to see what he would come up with in regard a cylinder stop/lock as a added safety feature.
 
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I have a JLG T350 trailer mounted lift. It will rise 35' measured from the floor of the bucket to ground level, but after 25' I need drugs and a windless day to get 'er done. The bucket on this model is removeable and can be replaced by a jib arm, so I made one to meet my needs for a crane. Also, this model has plumbed air, water and electrical lines up to the bucket area. To solve the tree trimming issue, I've mounted an electric chainsaw on the jib arm which can be started from the ground with a momentary switch when a limb is in position. I don't cut down firewood material, just trim and shape my tree lines (I like 'boxwoods': trees that look like boxes). The JLG has boom lift, extension and pitch controls.

This setup allows me to run the whole operation from the ground (There is a ground based control panel and a bucket mounted one). I can see where a limb falling on the frame of Renze's rig could break it, bend it, or tip it or worse: cut a hose. Fresh oak is VERY heavy. Even segments of limbs being cut off can do some serious damage.

This machine can be rented from nearby Lowe's stores (In fact, mine was a former Lowes unit), but I wanted one to easily trim trees, service my windmills and paint the barns. I had it certified by a local JLG service center in case there were some hidden problems.

I also have a 40' commercial ladder that I used to use for these purposes, but I like retirement without the added death, injury, and amputation worries. My dogs would never fogive me.
 

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   / work platform on truss boom #30  
What do those units do in regard to hydraulic failure?

Seems like an orifice on each cylinder would protect-ish against hose failure. Of course, not against cylinder failure.
My washer hoses have (supposedly) protection against bursting............where they shut off automatically. Maybe something like that?

Just for discussion purposes....
 
   / work platform on truss boom #31  
That looks incredibly handy. What safeguards dose it have against hydraulic failure?
 
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If properly tested and used with caution, I don't think it would be more dangerous than commercial lifts, and less dangerous than overextending on an extension ladder leaning against a tree or pole with a 12 foot pole saw in hand.
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That looks incredibly handy. What safeguards dose it have against hydraulic failure?

The problem is getting the thing upright. With bad piston seals and a 42 year old pump it takes more tilt force than the bucket cylinders can provide, so i use the loader lift cylinders to push it to the ground in order to use another fulcrum to get it upright with a man, saw, fuel and bar oil in the bucket. If a hose didnt burst during those first three meters, i dont see it as a risk during vertical work either.

Now if the bucket is moved out of reach (allmost horizontally) and when the safety relief of the dump circuit opens, a hose bursts at the same time, i do have a problem.
In normal operations i dont fear hose bursts, because the most critical part of the journey is closest to the ground, when tipping it up from lying horizontally on the ground. I have to hold on anyways when its horizontally, because the manbucket tilt doesnt tilt that much.

I used to work as a design engineer for a small (now defunct) wheel loader manufacturer. We couldnt compete with the big boys on a standard machine, but when people wanted to use, e.g. a 22 meter extendible lift mast, we were the supplier of choice. By law, a load monitoring system should be installed that provides hose burst safety (electromagnetic valves mounted directly on the cylinder port) but also monitors cylinder pressure, and would switch off at 75% of nominal pressure. In reality, NONE of these clients use the full safety system (only the hose burst failure safety) because they arent competitive with 75% of outreach. Their biggest advantage is that they can drive with load, where telehandlers or telescopic cranes allways need their outriggers, which immobilise them so a big crane with far greater outreach than required is hired to get the job done in one lift. They prefer wheel loaders with parallel kinematics, and servo valves instead of electric valves, so the operator can "feel" the load from its control lever.

This business is running like this for decades with no accidents that drew attention of OSHA, or ARBO as its called in Holland, while operating on the edge virtually all the time.
 
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That is without a doubt the most dangerous thing I’ve ever seen posted here. The idea is good, but the design got out of hand by trying to make it taller than it should have been. With the forces that thing is subjected to, it’s not a question of if it will fail, but when. And it’s not going to fail on the ground, it will fail while it’s up in the air with someone in it. Hopefully it’s not catastrophic and gives the tractor operator time to get the rider down, so he can change his britches.
 
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#36  
That is without a doubt the most dangerous thing I’ve ever seen posted here.
We often assess dangers by how common they are to us. Because its unconventional, doesnt mean its more dangerous than using a razor knife to open a pack of noodles... :)
 
   / work platform on truss boom #37  
Actually, I’m basing that off of my career as a design engineer, with a little common sense thrown in. There are plenty of platforms already on the market, but they’re designed by people with a good understanding of physics. No offense, but that thing isn’t safe in the long run.
 
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Cranes, boom lift and material handlers have pretty sophisticated hydraulics where a simple hose failure won't lead to a uncontrolled boom lowering. That is not the case with a simple ag tractor.

Read up.

https://www.worksafe.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/83222/earthmoving_burstprotection.pdf
Yes they have pilot valves that
open the gravity loaded side when the oil pump creates pressure on the non loaded side so that it wont drop at a rate faster than the oil pump can fill the other side of the piston.
However these allways jerk a bit, which makes the machine pretty awkward for precise positioning and levelling. The electromagnetic system as i described in my earlier post, isnt worth it for my use.

The difference of a manlift and a farm loader is that the farm loader operates at 30% pressure with this weight, and the manlift at 75%. The chance of hose rupture is much lower because it would pop when picking up 1.5 ton with the forks, not when keeping 300kg upright :)
 

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