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[EddieWalker]

I've never understood the argument that if somebody is attacking you, it's better not being armed and able to defend yourself. Probably the worse part about the Paris terrorist attack is how they where totally defenseless and unable to do anything while being shot.

 

[newbury]

I read on an European website that emergency services in Paris just happened to have a drill on the day of the attack. They had 400 ER doctors on duty due to the drill which had to have lowered the death count. It also seems that law enforcement did not delay in attacking the terrorists. The attack in Mali should have been much worse but the response was quick and effective unlike what happened in the last Tunisia attack. A quick response is needed to keep the death count low from the initial and return attacks as well as allowing the victims to get treatment ASAP. Unlike what happened at Columbine.

Later,
Dan

I've never understood the argument that if somebody is attacking you, it's better not being armed and able to defend yourself. Probably the worse part about the Paris terrorist attack is how they where totally defenseless and unable to do anything while being shot.

Perhaps because the "weapon training" that the average citizen receives doesn't make them smart enough to know which end the bullet comes out. Everyone should get at least 80 hours of weapon training during their 3 years of MANDATORY government service.

 

[EddieWalker]

Has there ever been any evidence to support that? We hear of criminals getting guns and killing people, but have there ever been any cases of somebody who has a legal permit to carry killing anybody by accident or just going on some random shooting spree? There are hundreds and hundreds of cases where the person who killed the attacker was a had a permit to carry and used their weapon proficiently.

There are guys in my area who teach the concealed class who go on and on about how bad it will be if just anybody who has a gun would attempt to defend themselves without the proper training that only they can provide. I'm not against more training, but from what I've seen, it's more of a tool to get people to pay them money.

I think that law enforcement has the most training and experience when it comes to dealing with a shooting situation. Here in Tyler, there was a shooting at the courthouse that went on for quite awhile, then the shooter left the courthouse and drove to another location before finally being killed. Several officers and civilians where killed. Thousands of rounds where shot without hitting the shooter. All the training and experience disappeared when it came to actually aiming at the guy they where all shooting at, and who was shooting at them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting

In Paris the police got there too faster then normal due to a training exercise that was going on in the area that included multiple ambulances. If that had not have been the case, the number of causalities would have been much higher.

I don't know what will happen if I am ever shot at, or if I feel the need to shoot at somebody. I don't think training is the answer, it's how some people react to a situation. Some will fight, some will run, most will freeze. All I do know is that I do not want to have to hide or run with the hope that the police will show up and be able to stop the shooter before I die.

 

[EddieWalker]

Has there ever been any evidence to support that? We hear of criminals getting guns and killing people, but have there ever been any cases of somebody who has a legal permit to carry killing anybody by accident or just going on some random shooting spree? There are hundreds and hundreds of cases where the person who killed the attacker was a had a permit to carry and used their weapon proficiently.

There are guys in my area who teach the concealed class who go on and on about how bad it will be if just anybody who has a gun would attempt to defend themselves without the proper training that only they can provide. I'm not against more training, but from what I've seen, it's more of a tool to get people to pay them money.

I think that law enforcement has the most training and experience when it comes to dealing with a shooting situation. Here in Tyler, there was a shooting at the courthouse that went on for quite awhile, then the shooter left the courthouse and drove to another location before finally being killed. Several officers and civilians where killed. Thousands of rounds where shot without hitting the shooter. All the training and experience disappeared when it came to actually aiming at the guy they where all shooting at, and who was shooting at them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting

In Paris the police got there too faster then normal due to a training exercise that was going on in the area that included multiple ambulances. If that had not have been the case, the number of causalities would have been much higher.

I don't know what will happen if I am ever shot at, or if I feel the need to shoot at somebody. I don't think training is the answer, it's how some people react to a situation. Some will fight, some will run, most will freeze. All I do know is that I do not want to have to hide or run with the hope that the police will show up and be able to stop the shooter before I die.

 

[Industrial Toys]

We are not even allowed to have a firearm ready for use! Has to be locked away with ammo in a seperate locked location! One .22 shell lying in with your change on your dresser could be construed as unsafe storage of ammunition! Failure to comply could result in heavy fines and being banned from owning firearms!

Maybe I need to sleep with an electric chainsaw next to the bed! Surprise can be your best weapon. Something like Shock and Awe!

 

[RoyJackson]

Has there ever been any evidence to support that? We hear of criminals getting guns and killing people, but have there ever been any cases of somebody who has a legal permit to carry killing anybody by accident or just going on some random shooting spree?

When I was living in PA, I'd read of one or two instances where a lawful carrier had a negligent discharge and wounding a bystander....also one or two instances in which a lawful CCW shot another person without just cause (road rage type thing).
It happens, but is extremely rare...

 

[Industrial Toys]

My friend in PA has a carry permit. He thinks it amusing to sit in a theatre with his glock pointed at the person behind him. Yet, had he been in the Paris theatre, the outcome would probably have been a little different. He shoots in combat pistol competitions.

 

[WoodChuckDad]

My friend in PA has a carry permit. He thinks it amusing to sit in a theatre with his glock pointed at the person behind him. Yet, had he been in the Paris theatre, the outcome would probably have been a little different. He shoots in combat pistol competitions.

I hope you mean that he is carrying it in a shoulder holster and not that he is pointing it at people.
I carry mine in an inside the pants holster so it's pointed at my junk when I'm sitting down. Anybody who wants argue about the likelihood of an accidental discharge can go ahead. I know the equipment I'm working with and I am damned careful.

 

[WoodChuckDad]

Has there ever been any evidence to support that? We hear of criminals getting guns and killing people, but have there ever been any cases of somebody who has a legal permit to carry killing anybody by accident or just going on some random shooting spree?

In Florida, since they instituted the concealed carry laws the rate of crimes by gun owners with CCW has been .02%.

Edited to correct my number. I had .002 %. It is actually .02 %. 2/100 of 1%

 

[TCJatko]

Dont want to turn this political, but I think the Gov't knows more than we think. You buy ammo, search the web for info, post on forums, etc. Sure, they may not know of ALL the guns I have that are unregistered, but I am sure they know about quite a few.

This implies a requirement to "register" firearms. Is this the case in Ohio?