The blurry line between CUT and UT???

[ovrszd]

Well that settle's it, it comes down to the size of your balls, the pair on the ends of your 3pt lift arms:laughing:

Yeah but my ole Ford has two pair, one pair of small, one pair of large???

 

[terryknight]

what about the massey 26xx series that has convertible cat 1 and 2 balls. my JD 5055 only has one step to the platform.

i, like many others, think weight and/or tire size is a better indicator of CUT v. CUT

 

[bcp]

Back in the 40's and 50's and later, a John Deere A and a Farmall M were considered full-size tractors. Probably "UT" of the time., but "utility" usually meant lower non-adjustable wheels. I think they were around 35 hp and 4000 pounds.

The "SCUT" of the time was the John Deere LA and the Farmall Cub


No one I knew about had the sizes in between, like the JD B or H "CUT."

Bruce

 

[gladehound]

I vote front wheel size (in 4wd AG tire configuration).

20"+ rims is UT
anything under is CUT

This would mean DK50se and smaller, all the NX and DK10 series are CUT's. And the DK55se and larger, All the RX and PX series are UT.

For kubota, all the L's and MX's in their current line is CUT. All the M's are UT's

Deere (an this is actually how they have them listed), All 4x are CUT and all 5x and larger are UT

Massey....dont list tire specs. So only looking at pictures. They list 1700 series as CUT and 2600 and 2700 series as UT. And am betting that the front R1 tires on the 1700's are 16's, and the 2600's and 2700's get either 20's or 24's.

For new holland (their models are a bit confusing and no tire specs listed) but appears that all the Workmaster series and T4 and larger are UT, and all the boomers are CUT's. The exception is a "workmaster compact" which is ofcourse a compact

LS is as listed on their website. XJ, G, XG, and XR are CUT. K, XU, and P are all UT's.

Seems most of the MFG's that do differentiate on their websites, like Deere, LS, Massey, All of what they call CUT gets 16" fronts. All the UT's get 20" or more.

I agree with LD-1 on the above designations. Except that I don't think the Kioti DKSE came in a 55hp model and I think that was jus the DK55.

I think the ASAE definition is good and the front rim size clarifies any borderline tractors since we have has some creek upwards in CUT weight beyond the ASAE defined 4,000 pounds.

Actually, I can't think of any tractor that doesn't fall into what I think is the right category based on the stock front wheel size with R1 tires alone. And that makes it very simple. The boarder line series get split right down the middle based on front rim size with UT requiring 20" or bigger.

Mahindra 4035 (CUT), Mahindra 5035 (UT)
Kioti DK45S (CUT), Kioti DK55 (UT)

And perhaps there is one exception to the rule (you always need an exception). Someone previously mentioned the MF2600 series. Well the 2615 and larger have 24" front tires in 4wd. But the 2605 has little what look like 16" up front (on edit: after closer inspection of pictures they look closer to 20") and only weighs a shade over 4000 pounds. This is splitting hairs but I'm going to say UT only because it sits on the same frame as the 2615 which is clearly a UT.

 

[ovrszd]

And perhaps there is one exception to the rule (you always need an exception). Someone previously mentioned the MF2600 series. Well the 2615 and larger have 24" front tires in 4wd. But the 2605 has little what look like 16" up front and only weighs a shade over 4000 pounds. This is splitting hairs but I'm going to say UT only because it sits on the same frame as the 2615 which is clearly a UT.

How can you declare the front tire size as the designator and then say the above statement??

 

[mike69440]

I think tire size would be a decent 'rule of thumb', but of course they're are exceptions. Take for instance the Kubota M59 (soon to be M62), it's technically a CUT, but it has more lift capacity than many utility size tractors that are larger framed, like the M7040, and even on par with the M8540/9540. The M59 has the same tire size as most CUT's. Of course, you could also classify the M59 as a TLB, but you can classify any CUT or UT as a TLB as well. Pretty tough to come up with hard and fast designations.

I think it's virtually impossible to group what is a CUT, vs. Utility, similar to implements, how you classify something as light duty, medium duty, heavy duty, or super duper extreme duty. Since there is no standard, manufacturers can call them whatever they want.

Overall, I think the tire size is the best rule of thumb so far.

We one thing for cetrain, the front tires on all the Kubota TLB's are woefully undersized for the machines weight and power. The M59 is a UT. The L45 is a very heavy CUT.

Why was this tread started anyway? Very Blurry indeed.

 

[ovrszd]

I've owned and operated CUTs and UTs. There is no doubt which I'm on when operating them. Irregardless of things such as 3pt size and tire size. I just know what I'm using.

 

[gladehound]

How can you declare the front tire size as the designator and then say the above statement??

Sorry, I was typing stream of thought on my iPhone. So how would you classify the 2605? After all, I have no special tractor classifying credentials. I could easily flip flop on the 2605. for the sake of consistency I probably should.�� Ok, u talked me into it

 

[LD1]

Before classifying it, I would want to confirm front tire size. Massey don't list it and I couldn't find a spec anywhere else.

Hard to believe they would make a huge jump in sizevs the other tractors on the same platfom. Would need different gearing to make 4wd work.

 

[gladehound]

Before classifying it, I would want to confirm front tire size. Massey don't list it and I couldn't find a spec anywhere else.

Hard to believe they would make a huge jump in sizevs the other tractors on the same platfom. Would need different gearing to make 4wd work.

I couldn't find it either. Here are pictures of the 2605 and 2615. The 2605 doesn't have 24" rims up front but they do look larger than 16". Might be 20's. Guess someone who is close to a real 2605 can verify.