Super Truckers Take Heed - f350 towing a supposedly 710JD Backhoe Fatality

[Soundguy]

it certainly applies here. Light duty trucks do not have fail safe brakes. Whats so hard to understand about that? ONE broken wire and you have 0 trailer brakes. A Semi would have to lose 2 airlines AND have the spring brakes fail. I'm just trying to point out the safety factors for towing with a heavier class truck vs a light duty truck pushed to its factory ratings or beyond.

Other than your rudeness, nothing about air brakes applies to a hydro/ electric brake failure. No need to muddy the waters. Might as well say his drag chute failed and compair it to a dragster.

Point is.. Multiple failures would be required for total brake failure of truck and trailer, whether talking air, electro or hydraulic.

While not impossible, the probability of multiple failure gets low ER as you stack failed systems, especially not directly related ones.

Can it happen? Sure, titanic proves that.

More details would help.

Add on controller? Built in controller? Poor maintenance? Mechanical failure of some individual system plus some other factor? Was it a hyd coupled system that might have only required one failure for a near total failure?

I'd lil to know what brake type the trailer was, along with other details before passing sentence on a case we have 4 oz out of the 5 gallons of information on.

 

[joefromga]

it certainly applies here. Light duty trucks do not have fail safe brakes. Whats so hard to understand about that? ONE broken wire and you have 0 trailer brakes. A Semi would have to lose 2 airlines AND have the spring brakes fail. I'm just trying to point out the safety factors for towing with a heavier class truck vs a light duty truck pushed to its factory ratings or beyond.

A failsafe could be implemented pretty easily but it would require a backup battery. If the connection is lost it would then apply brakes to the trailer and you'd be able to tell by the tires smoking and squealing.

 

[Sprinklerman]

I good friend had a triple axle 5th wheel camper ( heavy ) pulled with a f 350 . He had a small rope attached to his break away switch and it went in his back window . It was his "Hail Mary " device . He did this because his plug came loose going down a long grade one time . he stopped , but there was a large pucker factor involved .

 

[kevin37b]

Phone , texting /

 

[RedNeckRacin]

Other than your rudeness, nothing about air brakes applies to a hydro/ electric brake failure. No need to muddy the waters. Might as well say his drag chute failed and compair it to a dragster.

Point is.. Multiple failures would be required for total brake failure of truck and trailer, whether talking air, electro or hydraulic.

While not impossible, the probability of multiple failure gets low ER as you stack failed systems, especially not directly related ones.

Can it happen? Sure, titanic proves that.

More details would help.

Add on controller? Built in controller? Poor maintenance? Mechanical failure of some individual system plus some other factor? Was it a hyd coupled system that might have only required one failure for a near total failure?

I'd lil to know what brake type the trailer was, along with other details before passing sentence on a case we have 4 oz out of the 5 gallons of information on.

I'm not saying the guy did or didn't do anything other than he killed a guy while towing. I'm saying there is one way to apply brakes on a electric brake trailer. Once that connection is gone, your SOL if you need those brakes to control your rig.

 

[bdog]

All I was trying to say is that is way too big of a backhoe to pull with a pickup. I own a Deere 310 backhoe. The next size up is a 410, then the biggest is a 710. They are huge. I own a 2016 1 ton diesel dually and I don't tow my 310 with it because I think it is too much weight to stop safely and it is flat as a pancake here. I think this guy was nuts towing a backhoe two sizes larger than mine and in the hills.

 

[LD1]

I agree that "I" think its nuts. But what "we" think and what is legal is two different things.

I occasionally haul 24-25k behind my 05 dodge. And my occasionally I mean 3-4 times in the last 3 years. All Fla, slow, and back roads.

Really looking forward to seeing the results if the investigation as nothing I saw said the load was illegal, overloaded, etc. Only the driver wasn't licensed properly.

If the guy held a cdl A, would there have been anything illegal at all?

 

[bcp]

A couple of comments from here:
Auburn man killed in crash on Highway 49 near Nevada City | Foothills/Tahoe News - KCRA Home


disqus_Mmb7ydvKfP 6 days ago

Sprucetrees comments are accurate and percise.. The man that should be investigated is Steve sipe of sipe Tahoe in Newcastle.. Odds are Terry would have been fired if he didn't complete this task for Steve who could have easily rented a proper vehicle to tow it with or hired another company to handle it. Like on that had proper paperwork to do such a task.. My heart for out to the family that lost there loved one..



Sprucetree12 7 days ago

Terry was driving the truck for Steve Sipe and his business Sipe's Tahoe. I know first hand this is a man that likes to cut corners to save a few bucks and I'm sure he forced Terry, his employee, to transport this backhoe illegally since Sipe is all out of money and will do anything to save a buck. Steve sipes consistent blatant disregard for suafety and others has taken a precious life. Steve Sipe is who should further be looked into.

 

[tjkubota93]

All I was trying to say is that is way too big of a backhoe to pull with a pickup. I own a Deere 310 backhoe. The next size up is a 410, then the biggest is a 710. They are huge. I own a 2016 1 ton diesel dually and I don't tow my 310 with it because I think it is too much weight to stop safely and it is flat as a pancake here. I think this guy was nuts towing a backhoe two sizes larger than mine and in the hills.

It's tough balance between overly strict regulations and free market. I don't like when the government says what you can/cannot do. But if the rules here were more strict, accidents would be less likely. You can't allow a s-10 to tow a d-6 and it would be dumb to require a freightliner to tow a kubota bx.........

 

[motownbrowne]

A couple of comments from here:
Auburn man killed in crash on Highway 49 near Nevada City | Foothills/Tahoe News - KCRA Home


disqus_Mmb7ydvKfP 6 days ago

Sprucetrees comments are accurate and percise.. The man that should be investigated is Steve sipe of sipe Tahoe in Newcastle.. Odds are Terry would have been fired if he didn't complete this task for Steve who could have easily rented a proper vehicle to tow it with or hired another company to handle it. Like on that had proper paperwork to do such a task.. My heart for out to the family that lost there loved one..



Sprucetree12 7 days ago

Terry was driving the truck for Steve Sipe and his business Sipe's Tahoe. I know first hand this is a man that likes to cut corners to save a few bucks and I'm sure he forced Terry, his employee, to transport this backhoe illegally since Sipe is all out of money and will do anything to save a buck. Steve sipes consistent blatant disregard for suafety and others has taken a precious life. Steve Sipe is who should further be looked into.

Interesting comments. Sipe's Tahoe appears to be an antique store, though...