Propane Prices

[sweettractors]

Ken... If you got a handle on your fuel costs (propane), you could sell your implements even cheaper.....lol:thumbsup:

I am working on it. I got the revised/corrected statement last week and it was wrong. When we called initially, the lady said they were going to reduce price per gallon to $1.49 and there would be no late charge. Well, it came in at $1.79 and with a late fee. I called this time and they said they would only go down to $1.59 and no late fee and re bill us. Here we go again !! Ken Sweet

 

[ultrarunner]

I'd switch to bio-mass, wood pellets or shelled corn. The break on pellets is $1.65 per 40 pound bag compared to propane for BTU yield.. Of course you'd have a one time cost of a biomass stove / furnace and venting but equalized out over the projected life of the unit....about 25 years, the cost is minimal.

I just paid 96 cents a gallon delivered. to my back 500 gallon tank. My front one has stayed valved off all winter.

Don'r see the fuel cost increasing much net year either.

Nest time you are in Austria, I'll take a pair of Swarovski 10 x 40 EL Range Bino's...lol I have a pair of 10-40 EL's but I want a pair of the rangefinding ones.

It's a 1960 Tahoe cabin... putting in any wood burning anything is near impossible... good to know the break even point for other places... seems the wood burning bans follow me... SF Bay Area, Tahoe and even Olympia Washington have had burn restrictions or outright bans.

So far Austria is OK...

Never visited Swarovski... have had company take the tour and browse... one of the ladies loved it... her husband complained she blew the travel budget!

My Binoculars are old... Bosch and Lomb and Zeiss....

 

[5030]

Bio-mass has no particulate emissions restrictions unlike chunk wood stoves do now. Bio-mass stoves average 93% efficiency with almost no stack emissions. You can ocassionally get a whiff of a wood smell but thats it.

All biomass stoves / furnaces are completely computer controlled so incoming combustion air, fuel feed and ehaust is constantly momitored. They all pass the most stringent emissions mandates handily.

None have catalytic conversion, don't need it. All are gasifiers, they burn and reburn the volitale gasses above the fuel bed. I like mine. I've been running one for at least 10 years, well up until this year because propane is below the brek price but, it's there when I need it. Mine is 60K btu output, thermostatically controlled.

 

[ultrarunner]

Always something new to learn...

I wonder what the local governing board has on this... they actually have roving smoke police with tipster numbers to report your neighbors plus a bounty on each chimney and wood stove retired.

The restrictions apply to solid fuel...

Is Biomass considered solid fuel?

http://www.baaqmd.gov/~/media/Files/Planning and Research/Rules and Regs/reg 06/rg0603.ashx

 

[bumperm]

We are on autofill... when I shut down the tank for the season it was at 79%

Bi State just topped it off and the cost per gallon with fees and taxes is $4.40

Wow . . . I can't remember ever paying that much, do they charge Lake Tahoe users more 'cause they have to haul it up there?

I typically call two or three dealers to get the best price, sometimes I shop for a couple of my neighbors at the same time. Universal, Comstock, are two of several companies I call. I do not give any company the price quoted by another, and I pay the driver on delivery so they don't have to bill me. I remind them of that when I'm shopping.

I think the propane companies *love* their rental tanks and keep filled agreements, stifles competition - but I would not ever go that way again.

 

[ultrarunner]

We own the tank so no restrictions there on the 500 gallons.

Same gas supplier for decades and then the name seems to change every couple of years... natural gas is now nearby but all of last year we had almost no usage... so it didn't seem cost effective to switch...

My Grandmother had lots of friends in Gardnerville and I would tag along on visits... seems like a very long time ago...

Both Dad and brother worked for the VanSickles... an old Nevada/Tahoe family...

What are they charging for propane in Gardnerville?

 

[5030]

Always something new to learn...

I wonder what the local governing board has on this... they actually have roving smoke police with tipster numbers to report your neighbors plus a bounty on each chimney and wood stove retired.

The restrictions apply to solid fuel...

Is Biomass considered solid fuel?

http://www.baaqmd.gov/~/media/Files/Planning and Research/Rules and Regs/reg 06/rg0603.ashx

Biomass is considered processed low moisture fuel (typically 5% or less by volume). Refer to your 6-3-214, 6-3-308 and especially 6-3-404.2 They are alll exempt under Federal regulations and none exceed 20% opacity at anytime. Most times, no visible particulates at all.

In your scenario, I'd be taking a hard look at say a United States Stove (USSC) 6039 or 6041 HF stand alone gasifier. I run a 39 myself. Pretty turn key. There are some anthracite coal stoves (auto stokers running pea coal) that are also exempt. No way would I pay that much for propane.

 

[5030]

Michigan refused to adopt the Federal standards for chunk wood burning appliances. Thats all people in the upper peninsula use for heat.

 

[Ford850]

We are on autofill... when I shut down the tank for the season it was at 79%

Bi State just topped it off and the cost per gallon with fees and taxes is $4.40

They topped it off when you were at 79%?

 

[ddb123]

I paid $1.49 per gallon when they filled me up at the end of fall. This has been my warmest and most comfortable winter since I bought my house!