Who uses dual tilt cylinders? I do...

[ovrszd]

I am finishing up a job for a horse barn right now and could have used more tilt than the single 4" stroke cylinder would allow. Maybe a longer stroke cylinder would have helped but the tractor is tilting one way and I needed to cut in the opposite direction. Had to get off and adjust the manual screw adjustment many times to get what I needed.

Yeah, I can definitely see the problem with a 4" cylinder. I used an 8" and still see an occasional need for a cylinder on the opposite side.

 

[ovrszd]

Anyone know what happened to him ?? He use to post some really good projects..I use to enjoy reading them

I've sometimes wondered that too. Rob is a very talented fabricator/machinist. He started a lot of very useful threads on TBN.

 

[jmc]

A long time ago, a TBN member posted his Kubota twin cylinder tilt setup that may have been a factory option. One valve controlled both cylinders and the plumbing was such that the two cylinders moved in opposite directions- ie, a T in one hose feed the bottom of one cylinder and the top of the opposite cylinder. And a T in the other hose did visa versa. I think of that setup every time I have to get off the tractor to change the manually adjustable side so that the hydraulic side is in its useful range.

 

[npalen]

So you consider having to lower the 3pt hitch to match the cut depth of the right side a good reason to have 2 hydraulic side links? Whatever:confused3: That is not getting a different result than a tractor with a single adjustable side link. Different actions on the operators part, (2 levers instead of 1) but not different results. And besides, even with the twin hyd side links, you most likely would still need to move the 3pt lever, just not as far.

Again, the full tilt of a 2 hydraulic side link machine can basically NEVER be taken advantage of. You are not going to stick a box blade or a rear blade 2' in the ground and make a full cut, it just is not going to happen. That is what I think most people think that they are going to do when they are able to get twice the tilt of a typical system.

We've probably run this into the ground enough.

Brian, we can't accuse you of being biased in your belief since you're in the TNT business I commend your sticking up for what you feel is right. It's always good to hear "both sides of the story" (No pun intended)

 

[ovrszd]

A long time ago, a TBN member posted his Kubota twin cylinder tilt setup that may have been a factory option. One valve controlled both cylinders and the plumbing was such that the two cylinders moved in opposite directions- ie, a T in one hose feed the bottom of one cylinder and the top of the opposite cylinder. And a T in the other hose did visa versa. I think of that setup every time I have to get off the tractor to change the manually adjustable side so that the hydraulic side is in its useful range.

I remember seeing that. I thought it was odd until I had TnT. Then I understood the use.

 

[jenkinsph]

A long time ago, a TBN member posted his Kubota twin cylinder tilt setup that may have been a factory option. One valve controlled both cylinders and the plumbing was such that the two cylinders moved in opposite directions- ie, a T in one hose feed the bottom of one cylinder and the top of the opposite cylinder. And a T in the other hose did visa versa. I think of that setup every time I have to get off the tractor to change the manually adjustable side so that the hydraulic side is in its useful range.

You would need rephrasing cylinders and plumbing to use one valve on two cylinders since the rod end displaces less oil.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Brian, we can't accuse you of being biased in your belief since you're in the TNT business I commend your sticking up for what you feel is right. It's always good to hear "both sides of the story" (No pun intended)

I'm not saying that 2 are no good. Just that if you have a set that is set up properly, or at least what I consider set up properly, there are VERY few instances where 2 hydraulic side links serve any "real" purpose.

I have done a lot of grading, and not just on flat ground and the need to have 2 adjustable side links has NEVER presented itself. Now I have read and seen many units set up on others tractors and people have complained about one thing or another. When I see their set up, I see why they have occasional problems. Either the units were built wrong, or they were built with a different functionality in mind and that in itself presents many other problems.

The pictures are of a JD factory "T&T" set up. Great setup if you want to tilt to the right only and you don't care about the slot float feature in the lower clevis being the same as on the manual adjust link. No big deal, they still work.

No one has shown or even described to me where the 2 hydraulic side links accomplish anything more than a properly built single hydraulic side link will accomplish.

The only "real" benefit that I see is that you don't have to pay attention when you want to have the implement level-square with the tractor, just be sure that both side links are fully retracted. :cool2:

Enough of this, pretty sure that this has been dragged on long enough, it has in my mind anyway.

 

[jenkinsph]

Brian,
I use the adjustable link on the left side and the fixed link is in storage. I also have the cylinder locked in place , so the slot does not cause problems. I could use a bit more tilt on occasions, however accomplished.

 

[npalen]

I do have one last question. Is there a specific reason why most seem to favor the hydraulic cylinder on the right side rather than vice versa?

 

[jenkinsph]

I do have one last question. Is there a specific reason why most seem to favor the hydraulic cylinder on the right side rather than vice versa?

For me it is ergonomics, much easier to turn around to the right to control the levers and see the implement. If the levers were on the left side it would be the reverse.