Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton?

[RollingsFarms]

Spied: 218 Ford F-15 Turbo-Diesel - PickupTrucks.com News

 

[buickanddeere]

Probably something like that already in service. Where diesel costs about 3/4 the price of gasoline. And or where diesel emission regulations are lax compared to North America.
The advantages that diesel light vehicles had in 1996 do not exist in 2016 in the USA.

 

[Renze]

The 3.2 liter inline 5 they use as a high end engine in the European Transit van, is a good match against the VM/Ram V6 ecodiesel.

Probably something like that already in service. Where diesel costs about 3/4 the price of gasoline. And or where diesel emission regulations are lax compared to North America.
The advantages that diesel light vehicles had in 1996 do not exist in 2016 in the USA.

I dont know what places on earth you think they are going to sell it, the only pickup truck that works outside of North America is the Toyota Hilux. Africa and Asia are full of it but you guys dont get those. But Yank trucks, they are a rarity anywhere outside of North America. And here in Europe, the Mercedes Sprinter and Iveco Daily are the standard butter and bread trucks, either as a van or as a chassis-cab.

With SCR technology getting more commonplace in the USA, (after EPA un-prohibited SCR technology because manufacturers that already had experience with SCR technology in the European on-road market) urged them that achieving EPA standards with just EGR technology was not realistic) problems with diesels will diminish.

My friend has a Volvo V50 with a 1.6 liter diesel. Americans would consider it an ecodiesel. The amount of problems he had with this Ford/Peugeot engine were tremendous, this week he's had enough of it and traded it for one with a 2 liter diesel. (which is the same breed, from Volvo's Ford ownership era, which has cost them a lot of customers) The 2 liter has a better reputation as far as emission electronics. Nonetheless, punching the internals out of the DPF is the best thing you can do before the added backpressure kills a turbo.

Navistar was allmost bankrupted because the CEO insisted on the use of EGR/DPF only even while his engineers said they didnt know how to defy laws of nature. Deere loudmouthed the "Diesel only" mantra, but had to eat their words when they also couldnt get it done. All engines with a delayed ignition timing combined with EGR for lower NoX emissions and a DPF for lower PM emission, had big problems with the soot created already in the combustion, which was then recirculated by the EGR system, causing it to clog because the engine was basically eating its own sh*t

Once SCR gets commonplace in the automotive market, manufacturers can put the injection timing back to normal for clean, soot free combustion, use EGR (with no soot in it) for lower NoX emissions, and then tackle the rest of the NoX emissions caused by the hot, efficient and sootless burn, by an SCR (DEF) system.

Once they are all back to that main road (not just using SCR/DEF as an afterthought, but integrating emission systems and combustion as a whole) , Diesel reliability will get back to normal. Agco and New Holland are leading the way with their DOC/SCR/EGR route.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Unless it can out pull the 3.5 Eco Boost I can't see anyone being interested.

Chris

 

[RollingsFarms]

Unless it can out pull the 3.5 Eco Boost I can't see anyone being interested. Chris

Not to mention it will have to get MUCH better gas mileage than what the new 2.7 is getting. I'm hearing a lot of good things about that engine.

 

[dgl24087]

Rumor on another site says it's a 3.0 L Range Rover turbo diesel V-6, 254 HP and 443 ft-lbs torque

 

[Diamondpilot]

Rumor on another site says it's a 3.0 L Range Rover turbo diesel V-6, 254 HP and 443 ft-lbs torque

That's not going to cut it. 300 HP and 500 FT Lbs or better yet, 350 HP.

Nissan is getting it right with the Cummins Titan!

Chris

 

[5030]

I'll keep my hopped up, no emissions 7.3 IDI IH, thank you. Something about lighting up the 33 x 10'50's out back that makes me smile. Could be that stream of particulates out the exhaust pipe as well, but it might be the 21 mpg I get from my one ton 4x4 that really does it.....:cool2:

 

[RollingsFarms]

That's not going to cut it. 300 HP and 500 FT Lbs or better yet, 350 HP. Nissan is getting it right with the Cummins Titan! Chris

Those aren't selling that well so far. Around here they're already putting $3500 on the hood to move them. Besides, if it really is a Range Rover diesel that would scare me off. I want nothing to do with anything Range Rover ($$$$).

 

[LindenBruce]

I drove the new Nissan Titan XD a few months ago. Very nice rig. Except for one observation with the one truck I drove. Offline acceleration was slow until you hit around 15 MPH. Which had me stumped. Maybe because it was new and everything was new. With Dodge already having a diesel in their 1/2 ton series, I would think Ford and GM would want to make that move also. B.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Unless it can out pull the 3.5 Eco Boost I can't see anyone being interested.

Chris

I'm in northern MN, and due to environmental concerns, I'm not interested in diesels whatsoever. I'll stick with my ecoboost.

 

[Btown]

Nissan is getting it right with the Cummins Titan! Chris

Ya, copy the previous model F-150 and put a 5.0L Diesel engine in it that can tow near same amount as a ecoboost F150 and get the same fuel economy. Sign me up for 10, no I'll pass. Nisan improved the very outdated Titan. Ford will probably sell more F150's in one month than Nissan will sell both gas and diesel Titans for the whole year.

 

[Garandman]

The 3.2 liter inline 5 they use as a high end engine in the European Transit van, is a good match against the VM/Ram V6 ecodiesel.

It is available in the US Transit as well. Made in South Africa. Not sure how popular it is as the 3.5 Ecoboost has 400 ft lbs of torque vs 347 for the diesel, which costs $3,000 or so more. We have an Ecoboost but most Transits I see have the base gas V6.

 

[WilliamBos]

Unless it can out pull the 3.5 Eco Boost I can't see anyone being interested.

Chris

The ecoboosts mpg takes a major drop towing, the diesel should remedy this.

 

[Diamondpilot]

The ecoboosts mpg takes a major drop towing, the diesel should remedy this.

This is true. I own a 2012 EB. Light loads it get 13mpg. 10,000# loads it gets 9mpg. With it being 6 grad cheaper than a comparable Ram Eco Diesel and having 30% more performance I'll stick with the Eco Booster.

Now the Titan got it right! 310 HP, would be nice if it was 350ish, 555 FT TQ, and 3.92 gears as the only option means it was built to do work, not haul kids and groceries.

Chris

 

[WilliamBos]

This is true. I own a 2012 EB. Light loads it get 13mpg. 10,000# loads it gets 9mpg. With it being 6 grad cheaper than a comparable Ram Eco Diesel and having 30% more performance I'll stick with the Eco Booster.

Now the Titan got it right! 310 HP, would be nice if it was 350ish, 555 FT TQ, and 3.92 gears as the only option means it was built to do work, not haul kids and groceries.

Chris

Smart move. The ZF 8 speed in the RAM is pricey to service. Pan and filter are one unit that needs replacing, fluid is $43.95/quart & holds 10 quarts. Looking at $900 to service it.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I drove the new Nissan Titan XD a few months ago. Very nice rig. Except for one observation with the one truck I drove. Offline acceleration was slow until you hit around 15 MPH. Which had me stumped. Maybe because it was new and everything was new. With Dodge already having a diesel in their 1/2 ton series, I would think Ford and GM would want to make that move also. B.

My guess is they are doing the same thing GM is doing and detuning it off the line to save the drive line. It makes trannys, u joints, Ect last.

Chris

 

[Renze]

Rumor on another site says it's a 3.0 L Range Rover turbo diesel V-6, 254 HP and 443 ft-lbs torque

That means it is an engine from the same Ford/Peugeot cooperation... which would put me off of it.

Ford AJD-V6/PSA DT17 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[WilliamBos]

This is true. I own a 2012 EB. Light loads it get 13mpg. 10,000# loads it gets 9mpg. With it being 6 grad cheaper than a comparable Ram Eco Diesel and having 30% more performance I'll stick with the Eco Booster.

Now the Titan got it right! 310 HP, would be nice if it was 350ish, 555 FT TQ, and 3.92 gears as the only option means it was built to do work, not haul kids and groceries.

Chris

Smart move. The ZF 8 speed in the RAM is pricey to service. Pan and filter are one unit, fluid is $43.95/quart & holds 10 quarts. Looking at $900 to service it.

 

[Zerk]

I drive alot for work and pleasure, so I am curious. People talk about how diesel engines last forever, but the problem is the rest of the vehicle still has lots of miles. Though if you got 2 vehicles and take it in when you notice problems it is not as bad.

I wonder how many vehicles are junked with a bad motor, or the owner just got sick of fixing things. I suspect it is the later.

The price of diesel trucks turns me off. But if you could closer to 1/2 ton prices, I might be interested. My gas truck pulls my tractor, but I wish it had more power. I would the think the RV crowd would like it too.