No more V8 in F150?

[houstonscott]

I might suggest you "all in Ford V6 truck" guys do one thing before you put your money down. Google the words "ford Eco boost engine problems". Or ford truck V6 vs 5.0. You might be flabbergasted just how bad an engine it truly is.... You decide for yourself. I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. I'll stay away from Ford anything, and around 6 liters or more normally aspirated to tow. HS Start here. The Ford F-15 Ecoboost Engine Might Kinda Suck, Says Ward's [UPDATE]

The more I look, the more I find, you couldn't give me a Ford F-150 with a 3.5L eco boost. That engine is junk.

 

[fordmantpw]

I might suggest you "all in Ford V6 truck" guys do one thing before you put your money down. Google the words "ford Eco boost engine problems". Or ford truck V6 vs 5.0. You might be flabbergasted just how bad an engine it truly is.... You decide for yourself. I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. I'll stay away from Ford anything, and around 6 liters or more normally aspirated to tow. HS Start here. The Ford F-15 Ecoboost Engine Might Kinda Suck, Says Ward's [UPDATE]

The more I look, the more I find, you couldn't give me a Ford F-150 with a 3.5L eco boost. That engine is junk.

Google "{any manufacturer engine} problems" and you are guaranteed to find issues. According to several Ford mechanics that I know, the EcoBoost has had fewer major problems per engine than the 5.0L has. Considering how reliable the 5.0 has been, that's a pretty significant feat.

 

[Fordman1981]

It's a good thing we have options. I test drove the Eco boost several times and have never liked it. My power wagon has more of a sit back in your seat feel to me. In the end a half ton just isn't enough truck for what I do anyway.

My take overall on the Eco boost is its a throw away truck. Mileage wise they seem to be holding up but I think are too complicated for people that keep trucks a minimum of 10 years. The new eco boost with two fuel systems you couldn't give me.

 

[Renze]

My point is you wouldn't put that engine a train locomotive just because it produces 1500hp.

No, thats why the 3 liter V6 in the mercedes E class does 250hp, in the small Vito van it does 200 hp, in the European Sprinter it does 180hp and in the US Sprinter it does 150hp. It is down tuned when the load collective of a certain application is heavier. And even more downtuned for the US market where it will be driven by people that drive it like a gas engine i.e. not letting it come to operating temperature before hammering to full power.

I'm a BMW fan and have followed F1 since about 1966, BMW had a version of that engine for qualifying, meant to last about 25 laps, and a race version meant for the race about 70 laps. Each engine being replaced each race. HS

It was a 1.5 liter engine of the sixties, originally doing like 50hp. Cosworth tried it with a standard Ford engine but harmonic vibrations kept wrecking it at 12.000rpm. They built a 1.5 liter V6 turbo F1 engine from scratch.

By the way, the racing configuration used a waste gate on the turbo, but for qualifying it was simply blocked....

But how many races did the V12 engines that succeeded the turbo era, last ?

 

[Renze]

15HP BMW Bravo F1 - 1.5L M1 Turbo - YouTube

Turbo F1 engines - How they started, part 1 - YouTube

 

[houstonscott]

Google "{any manufacturer engine} problems" and you are guaranteed to find issues. According to several Ford mechanics that I know, the EcoBoost has had fewer major problems per engine than the 5.0L has. Considering how reliable the 5.0 has been, that's a pretty significant feat.

Yeah that's true, I do it often, but there was a significant amount here, and some have none or very very few. HS

 

[jvanhorn]

Even 4.3 metric tonnes is 9479 lb. Not the 15K+ you mentioned. Yes it is a interesting deal. One does have to wonder if we were fed all the information that went on in accomplishing this, or if there wasn't some slight to hand things going on. But wait, it was on the internet so it must have been scientifically confirmed.

That wasn't a 747. They don't have 2 engines in one pod. The engines on a 747 are each in their own pod/pylon.

 

[Sysop]

Ecoboost engines honestly have no more problems than any other new engine from any other manufacturer, in fact they've been less problematic than most new engine designs.

These three reasons alone are why there is a discussion: They gave it a name, they produce it in extreme numbers, they use it in the number one selling vehicle.

Ecoboost isn't anything special, most manufacturers have engines with the same sorts of direct injection and turbocharging built on some of their engines. Ford is just the only manufacturer to give it special name for marketing purposes, and they're the only ones to put the technologies to use in such high volume. Fact they're also using it on their truck platform is also unique.

Ford gave it a name so people would have something to talk about, that's marketing and it's working as planned. Ford has stated their ecoboost line isn't just a name though. They claim where other manufacturers are just adding direct injection and turbos to existing engines, their ecoboost line has been specifically built to handle the turbos and direct injection.

They're using it in high volume because their testing has shown it could be done. So far most are calling the ecoboost line a success. Yes there have been issues, but all of the issues were issues that could have been had on any engine.

Having been built to handle the stresses of turbo and direct injection, I would have to imagine that the truck destined ecoboost engines were also built for the stresses of truck-duty (according to all I have read and seen, this is the case). There have been lots of successful 6-cyl trucks over the years, so it's not like it can't be done.

V8 at this point is little more than a state of mind. Chevy and Ram have both went with the dual four cylinder route (you can run on four or dig into the throttle to fire up a second four and get 8), and Ford has went with 6 cylinders producing 8 cylinder power. None of the solutions are ideal. But honestly, none of the V8s have been ideal either. All have had issues unique to them.

The day the F150 no longer has a V8 option, will just be another day to me, I'll not miss it any...

 

[houstonscott]

Ecoboost engines honestly have no more problems than any other new engine from any other manufacturer, in fact they've been less problematic than most new engine designs. These three reasons alone are why there is a discussion: They gave it a name, they produce it in extreme numbers, they use it in the number one selling vehicle. Ecoboost isn't anything special, most manufacturers have engines with the same sorts of direct injection and turbocharging built on some of their engines. Ford is just the only manufacturer to give it special name for marketing purposes, and they're the only ones to put the technologies to use in such high volume. Fact they're also using it on their truck platform is also unique. Ford gave it a name so people would have something to talk about, that's marketing and it's working as planned. Ford has stated their ecoboost line isn't just a name though. They claim where other manufacturers are just adding direct injection and turbos to existing engines, their ecoboost line has been specifically built to handle the turbos and direct injection. They're using it in high volume because their testing has shown it could be done. So far most are calling the ecoboost line a success. Yes there have been issues, but all of the issues were issues that could have been had on any engine. Having been built to handle the stresses of turbo and direct injection, I would have to imagine that the truck destined ecoboost engines were also built for the stresses of truck-duty (according to all I have read and seen, this is the case). There have been lots of successful 6-cyl trucks over the years, so it's not like it can't be done. V8 at this point is little more than a state of mind. Chevy and Ram have both went with the dual four cylinder route (you can run on four or dig into the throttle to fire up a second four and get 8), and Ford has went with 6 cylinders producing 8 cylinder power. None of the solutions are ideal. But honestly, none of the V8s have been ideal either. All have had issues unique to them. The day the F150 no longer has a V8 option, will just be another day to me, I'll not miss it any...

I wouldn't get puffed up about Ford finally building a modern engine for Americans. A V6 with DOHC and 4 valves per cylinder is 100 years coming... High pressure TDi was invented by VW and Bosch. Ford is almost 20 years late to that party. Giving a name to this configuration is for low information types not knowing the real names of engine configurations, made it simple for dumb dumbs, eco boost. Nothing new here. It's existence is a response to government regulations. HS

 

[Sysop]

And the V8's death is due to a lack of improvements. (nothing new there either)