No more V8 in F150?

   / No more V8 in F150? #191  
And the V8's death is due to a lack of improvements. (nothing new there either)
F150 with V6 is like Honda Accord with a bed... If you want better mileage an good torque in a durable package diesel is a far better way to approach the problem. Rest of world figured this out long ago, Americans are just now getting to high pressure diesel party going on for nearly years now. BMW's new diesel is cutting edge 2016 stuff if you care to see what might be in a Ford in 2025 or later.

BMW Has Confirmed a Quad-Turbo Diesel Engine – News – Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog


HS
 
   / No more V8 in F150? #192  
F150 with V6 is like Honda Accord with a bed...

Honestly, it's quotes like that which make everything else you say so easy to disregard. Clue-free...
 
   / No more V8 in F150? #193  
F150 with V6 is like Honda Accord with a bed... If you want better mileage an good torque in a durable package diesel is a far better way to approach the problem. Rest of world figured this out long ago, Americans are just now getting to high pressure diesel party going on for nearly years now. BMW's new diesel is cutting edge 2016 stuff if you care to see what might be in a Ford in 2025 or later.

BMW Has Confirmed a Quad-Turbo Diesel Engine News Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog


HS
F-150 with V-6 is like a honda accord with a bed.I wonder if that honda haul a load like the F150,LOL...That is some funny chit but a foolish comment.
 
   / No more V8 in F150? #194  
This whole thread has become a little silly, but one comment by HS got me thinking. Torque is what provides pulling and accelerating power and horsepower is just torque x rpm. Torque is BMEP (brake mean effective pressure) acting over the piston surface and through the crank throw. Comparing diesel and boosted gas engines, (and ignoring some secondary effects from the Diesel vs. modified Otto cycle differences) if the boost in the gas engine gives you the same pressures as the 15:1 or 20:1 compression ratio of the diesel, they will be equally good on performance. As far as longevity, if the internals of the engine are built for the pressure loading, it really doesn't matter if it comes from diesel and gas. We know what happens if a diesel isn't built for the loads (cough, cough, Oldsmobile) and the same would be true for a turbo engine that isn't designed for the power output.

Because of the cycle differences, a boosted gas engine will probably never get quite the fuel economy of a diesel, but because the high pressures are constant in the diesel, a diesel will probably never be as light or low cost as a boosted engine. However, it definitely looks like Ford has hit a good compromise and it can't be all advertising. After 6 years, if the engine was a dud, sales would be suffering. By this time, we're all aware that HS won't buy one but I doubt that anyone in Dearborn is losing sleep over that. I'm ready to get in line for the 2017 10 speed version, since my last 6 cylinder truck (that I tow with) is over 12 years old.
 
   / No more V8 in F150? #195  
If Ford made the V8 Ecoboost, it would be too comparable to their 6.7 diesel and cannibalize sales...

The V-8 Ecoboost has been in development for quite a while. And yes, it will likely be the end of the Powerstroke line.
 
   / No more V8 in F150? #196  
F-150 with V-6 is like a honda accord with a bed.I wonder if that honda haul a load like the F150,LOL...That is some funny chit but a foolish comment.
Actually, it's close, same V6, almost same curb weights and load capacity. Only real difference is ride height and the turbo. HS
 
   / No more V8 in F150? #197  
Actually, it's close, same V6, almost same curb weights and load capacity. Only real difference is ride height and the turbo. HS
Your are little off on your curb weights 2016 Ford XL reg cab 4X4 is 4,305 lbs. 2016 honda accord ex 4 door V-6 3,471 lbs =834 lbs.advantage ford F150.Now if you want to compare 4 door models the ford wins hands down weight wise.I bet you are WAY OFF on the load capacity.
 
   / No more V8 in F150? #198  
Your are little off on your curb weights 2016 Ford XL reg cab 4X4 is 4,305 lbs. 2016 honda accord ex 4 door V-6 3,471 lbs =834 lbs.advantage ford F150.Now if you want to compare 4 door models the ford wins hands down weight wise.I bet you are WAY OFF on the load capacity.
Most heavy accord and lightest F150 are only 200lbs apart. 3800 for accord and just over 4000 for F150. HS
 
   / No more V8 in F150? #199  
I agree re the diesel, but BMW has a turbo 2.0 liter in its 328i package that has a tad more torque than our VW TDI 2.0 liter diesel. According to the car testers, they get it my applying more turbo boost in this engine, which is the same 2.0 liter with lesser hp and torque in the 320i. They may be using high CR like Mazda are or may be just getting the CR via the higher boost. Check it out on either the BMW site or the Edmunds site. You may get more specs on the Edmunds site.

Then the gas engines start having the same NOx problems as the diesels, BUT they don't have to live with the DEF business.

Ralph
 
   / No more V8 in F150? #200  
I agree re the diesel, but BMW has a turbo 2.0 liter in its 328i package that has a tad more torque than our VW TDI 2.0 liter diesel. According to the car testers, they get it my applying more turbo boost in this engine, which is the same 2.0 liter with lesser hp and torque in the 320i. They may be using high CR like Mazda are or may be just getting the CR via the higher boost. Check it out on either the BMW site or the Edmunds site. You may get more specs on the Edmunds site. Then the gas engines start having the same NOx problems as the diesels, BUT they don't have to live with the DEF business. Ralph
One of the best and most durable diesel made world wide now is the MB, 4 cylinder, it's in all kinds of stuff from delivery trucks to RV's and the E Class and the GLE 300d, (old ML). One tough engine. HS
 

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