1430 hard to start

[menchhofer]

I had to look pretty carefully at the crimp on the wire from the starter switch and from the Ford solenoid to the Deutz solenoid to see failing crimps. Both mechanically fatigued and wore through from the vibration.
Two other things occur to me; 1) the battery ground cable and the connection at the engine end, (check to make sure it is clean on all sides and that the cable crimp is good and 2) the key switch. I'm assuming that you recheck the battery cables at the battery and the wire from the Ford solenoid to the Deutz solenoid.

If you can run a hot wire to the Ford solenoid starter and it always starts, it is your key switch. (Leave the key switch in run, and carefully, repeat carefully, take power from the adjacent hot lug.) If not, I'd be looking at the cables. I up sized my battery cables when I bought mine on general principles, and added some extra ground leads to the two tub halves and centrally grounded everything on the engine block.





Thanks for the information. I believe I do not have Ford solenoid but will look again

 

[menchhofer]

I had to look pretty carefully at the crimp on the wire from the starter switch and from the Ford solenoid to the Deutz solenoid to see failing crimps. Both mechanically fatigued and wore through from the vibration.
Two other things occur to me; 1) the battery ground cable and the connection at the engine end, (check to make sure it is clean on all sides and that the cable crimp is good and 2) the key switch. I'm assuming that you recheck the battery cables at the battery and the wire from the Ford solenoid to the Deutz solenoid.

If you can run a hot wire to the Ford solenoid starter and it always starts, it is your key switch. (Leave the key switch in run, and carefully, repeat carefully, take power from the adjacent hot lug.) If not, I'd be looking at the cables. I up sized my battery cables when I bought mine on general principles, and added some extra ground leads to the two tub halves and centrally grounded everything on the engine block.



Cannot find a Ford solenoid anywhere. Battery cable goes directly to starter solenoid. Check all connections. All good .I do not get a click from starter solenoid... kind of like a thud when key is turned on. Getting 12 v to starter solenoid good also. Where is Ford solenoid located on 1430?

 

[ponytug]

On my 1445, there is a second solenoid, to the outside of the Deutz starter.
As you can see, the main (+) cable goes to the Deutz, but the control wire (black in the photo) switches the Ford solenoid and the Ford solenoid then applies power to the Deutz solenoid to get it to switch.

Terry told me that the Deutz solenoid is very voltage sensitive, and the Ford relay was needed to get it to switch reliably.

If you don't have the Ford solenoid, I would carefully clean both ends of the (+) cable and see if that helps. If not, I would install one. It is cheap. There is a PT specific "L" bracket to mount the Ford solenoid that shouldn't be too hard to make.

All the best,

Peter

I had to look pretty carefully at the crimp on the wire from the starter switch and from the Ford solenoid to the Deutz solenoid to see failing crimps. Both mechanically fatigued and wore through from the vibration.
Two other things occur to me; 1) the battery ground cable and the connection at the engine end, (check to make sure it is clean on all sides and that the cable crimp is good and 2) the key switch. I'm assuming that you recheck the battery cables at the battery and the wire from the Ford solenoid to the Deutz solenoid.

If you can run a hot wire to the Ford solenoid starter and it always starts, it is your key switch. (Leave the key switch in run, and carefully, repeat carefully, take power from the adjacent hot lug.) If not, I'd be looking at the cables. I up sized my battery cables when I bought mine on general principles, and added some extra ground leads to the two tub halves and centrally grounded everything on the engine block.



Cannot find a Ford solenoid anywhere. Battery cable goes directly to starter solenoid. Check all connections. All good .I do not get a click from starter solenoid... kind of like a thud when key is turned on. Getting 12 v to starter solenoid good also. Where is Ford solenoid located on 1430?