Anyone actually flipped a HST CUT pulling from the 3pth?
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jmh1783
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Well, I actually like this thread. I'm looking to buy my first tractor and learning about tractor operations is important. It seems at least as far as the TBN community goes no one has heard of flipping an HST. There are some good points in here about pulling and flipping. It makes the point about safe operation when pulling. I intend to buy a gear tractor not an HST by the way. As to the original poster, who knows. Maybe someone would have chimed in about a flip situation. Would be worth knowing about, wouldn't it?
Farmer495
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This! In a panic situation you react instinctively and subconsciously. If you are used to making something STOP with your right foot on the majority of what you drive, you will panic and shove your right foot hard to the floor before you think about it. These people in parking lots do the same thing, hold foot on GAS pedal and their brain doesn't let them realize it's the GAS!
I've always driven a manual anything, spend 99% of my seat time in something with a clutch pedal. If I've driving an automatic and I have to stop FAST, my left foot still goes for the clutch... I am guessing most people with an HST tractor only spend incidental usage on their tractor compared to a car...
bluebirdacres
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Maybe if the thread topic was "whats the correct way to pull with the three point hitch" would make this thread more valid. This topic could then be answered completely if a person would take the time to read their operator manual and exercise some common sense. The first suggestion is easy, the latter is getting more difficult these days. It amazes me of the things operators expect out of their sub compact and compact utility tractors. A John Deere 8400, which is a 200 HP tractor weighing up to 29,000 lbs pulling a large chisel plow will try to walk out from under itself, if caution is not taken. There is a chance of anything going wrong, if common sense is not exercised.
BTW, the knee feels better today. Thanks for the well wishes.
First we must understand that not every person on the planet who owns a tractor actually reads and posts on TBN. Second we must assume that those who do for the most part have read many posts about how to avoid back flipping their tractor while pulling things and told their friends and family as well eliminating most from making the mistake in the first place.
We must also understand that not all accident information is made available to the public when a tractor accident happens that the police and fire department need to be called in for. In the case that I noted the only reason I knew the tractor was indeed a HST is because I met the man once at the fuel station and could tell it was indeed a HST.
The only information printed in the news paper and relayed from the investigating officer was that it was a Kubota. Not the size/model/or if HST or gear and I would bet that in most events the specifics would not be transmitted to the public as well.
Now I see the mention of near misses? If near misses can be accounted for I could list many times a HST was up in the front and call it a possible near miss but the fact remains that I haven't had any HST come any higher than I have had a gear come up and I don't consider that any were near misses maybe because of my younger years of off road dune buggy experience has me pretty numb to having the front end up and I could only consider a near miss with a tractor as being when the front is so high its teetering on the edge of flipping and the weight of a fly landing on the wrong side would be the deciding factor of going over or not. So define a near miss as what a light hearted person might consider scary like the front wheels must be off the ground _______ this much and maybe you might get a different response. For me I know I have had both gear and HST front wheels at least 3 FT off with no danger of flipping over but again your talking to a man who used to ride wheelies better with 4 wheels than most motorcyclists could do, and with a motorcycle I could ride them for miles at a shot.
We must also understand that not all accident information is made available to the public when a tractor accident happens that the police and fire department need to be called in for. In the case that I noted the only reason I knew the tractor was indeed a HST is because I met the man once at the fuel station and could tell it was indeed a HST.
The only information printed in the news paper and relayed from the investigating officer was that it was a Kubota. Not the size/model/or if HST or gear and I would bet that in most events the specifics would not be transmitted to the public as well.
Now I see the mention of near misses? If near misses can be accounted for I could list many times a HST was up in the front and call it a possible near miss but the fact remains that I haven't had any HST come any higher than I have had a gear come up and I don't consider that any were near misses maybe because of my younger years of off road dune buggy experience has me pretty numb to having the front end up and I could only consider a near miss with a tractor as being when the front is so high its teetering on the edge of flipping and the weight of a fly landing on the wrong side would be the deciding factor of going over or not. So define a near miss as what a light hearted person might consider scary like the front wheels must be off the ground _______ this much and maybe you might get a different response. For me I know I have had both gear and HST front wheels at least 3 FT off with no danger of flipping over but again your talking to a man who used to ride wheelies better with 4 wheels than most motorcyclists could do, and with a motorcycle I could ride them for miles at a shot.
txdon
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So the paper did say he was going up a hill? But, the paper did not say he was pulling something?
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It would seem the paper reported the operator was dead.
I had the chain wrap around the draw bar, as far as I know it was a 1948 Case or close to that year, no 3pt hitch back then. I remember that 1st gear was like 3rd gear in my L3400dt
bluebirdacres
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Well, I thought I would be the 100th post.
I plowed many hours busting 8 year old hay ground with a Farmall 300 with a fast hitch pulling a John Deere 2 - 14 bottom pull type trip plow. Plowing was so tough the tractor tires would spin out. Since it was a trip plow I couldn't raise it a bit to lessen the pull, so I raised the drawbar a bit since the standard drawbar is a part of the two point fast hitch. This increased the downward force on the rear wheels thus lightenied up the front axle enough that steering with the front wheels was ineffective so I would have to use the brakes to steer. Had the front end off the ground quite a bit. It was the only way to get through it. Definetly had to be ready on the clutch all the time. Of course it wasn't an hst. Did have a 3-14 two point mounted plow for the same tractor and no front end weights. Just letting up on the clutch at a high rpm would lift the front end. The plow tail wheel hit ground and prevented the tractor from going over backwards.
Also had an international 544 hydro and tried plowing corn ground with the same 2 bottom trip plow and it was worthless. It was a great loader tractor though.
The whole concept of the original ferguson three point hitch system was to transfer the downward force of the soil engaging implement to the rear wheels for increased traction. There was also a feature built into the top link, that if something solid such as a rock or large root was hit the plow would automaticly lift helping to prevent damage to the implement.
It was mentioned that the pivot point is where the rear tire contacts the ground, but the axis of rotation is still the centerline of the rear axle. Hooking a chain directly around the rear axle is the worst place to pull from. A fully raised three point would be the second. Of course many can think of worse places such as the ROPS, but I hope people are smarter than that. Its no different than pulling with a chain hooked to a fully raised loader.
I plowed many hours busting 8 year old hay ground with a Farmall 300 with a fast hitch pulling a John Deere 2 - 14 bottom pull type trip plow. Plowing was so tough the tractor tires would spin out. Since it was a trip plow I couldn't raise it a bit to lessen the pull, so I raised the drawbar a bit since the standard drawbar is a part of the two point fast hitch. This increased the downward force on the rear wheels thus lightenied up the front axle enough that steering with the front wheels was ineffective so I would have to use the brakes to steer. Had the front end off the ground quite a bit. It was the only way to get through it. Definetly had to be ready on the clutch all the time. Of course it wasn't an hst. Did have a 3-14 two point mounted plow for the same tractor and no front end weights. Just letting up on the clutch at a high rpm would lift the front end. The plow tail wheel hit ground and prevented the tractor from going over backwards.
Also had an international 544 hydro and tried plowing corn ground with the same 2 bottom trip plow and it was worthless. It was a great loader tractor though.
The whole concept of the original ferguson three point hitch system was to transfer the downward force of the soil engaging implement to the rear wheels for increased traction. There was also a feature built into the top link, that if something solid such as a rock or large root was hit the plow would automaticly lift helping to prevent damage to the implement.
It was mentioned that the pivot point is where the rear tire contacts the ground, but the axis of rotation is still the centerline of the rear axle. Hooking a chain directly around the rear axle is the worst place to pull from. A fully raised three point would be the second. Of course many can think of worse places such as the ROPS, but I hope people are smarter than that. Its no different than pulling with a chain hooked to a fully raised loader.