Trailer Tire Failure - Not a good way tho start the weekend

[Diamondpilot]

What is that trailer rated for? It looks like a landscape trailer, but I think I see it is a gooseneck. You have about 9,000 lbs of hay on that. Your trailer weighs at least 2500 lbs. Thats 11,500.

8 lug wheels give it away. Those are at least 7K axles.

Chris

 

[3930dave]

My brother only deals with TireRack and even with shipping and mounting they come out cheaper. TireRack is about an hour away and is where I bought my last set for $400-$600 less than any dealer, including Tire Barn. Came with 2 yr hazard and lifetime balance and rotate.

Funny.... sitting up here I think of them as a virtual shop, but obviously they have a brick/mortar one.

Time...... always comes back to time. I'll drive quite a distance to access the right shop, but nothing is worse than investing a lot of time+$ and only getting half a job done, or having to start over....

What do people need ? Nothing more than tires on rims, balanced, and delivered to where the vehicle sits. Give the people what they need...... not a bad premise for a business...... esp. if your pricing is reasonable.

Ordering tires remotely is usually not my first preference, but if I can deal with a reputable company who will comply with my production date limits, then it is definitely something I will consider in the future.

Rgds, D.

 

[sd455dan]

What is that trailer rated for? It looks like a landscape trailer, but I think I see it is a gooseneck. You have about 9,000 lbs of hay on that. Your trailer weighs at least 2500 lbs. Thats 11,500.

It is 5th wheel rated for 10k load on the trailer and the bales were guaranteed to be 1200lbs minimum -so at least .
9600lbs. of load
The truck is an 03 3500 4x4 hd ram with an HO Cummins, it is rated to pull about 15 k with a fifth wheel set up.

Remembered a while back pulling a similar max load an a rough paved road with my son following and he remarked that every time the trailer hit a good bump the right side trailer tires would smoke for a second and appear to skid.
It occurred to me that the 235/85/16 tires my dad had installed probably were larger in diameter than what the factory put on and when loaded very heavy the right side was actually jamming the front and rear treads together occasionally when running on rough roads This certainly didn't help the tire that failed.

Any way- i decided to make an extra trip and not load the trailer so heavy. no problems and now have all 25 bales of timothy and alfalfa in the barns.

 

[3930dave]

It is 5th wheel rated for 10k load on the trailer and the bales were guaranteed to be 1200lbs minimum -so at least .
9600lbs. of load
The truck is an 03 3500 4x4 hd ram with an HO Cummins, it is rated to pull about 15 k with a fifth wheel set up.

Remembered a while back pulling a similar max load an a rough paved road with my son following and he remarked that every time the trailer hit a good bump the right side trailer tires would smoke for a second and appear to skid.
It occurred to me that the 235/85/16 tires my dad had installed probably were larger in diameter than what the factory put on and when loaded very heavy the right side was actually jamming the front and rear treads together occasionally when running on rough roads This certainly didn't help the tire that failed.

Any way- i decided to make an extra trip and not load the trailer so heavy. no problems and now have all 25 bales of timothy and alfalfa in the barns.

I thought those tires looked a bit big for those fenders.

Might also be worth checking your swing shackle bushings for wear if you haven't in a while, as that might be adding play.

Rgds, D.

 

[sd455dan]

Thanks Dave, that's a good idea and will check those bushings/bolts out.

as a side note, checked the tire temps immediately after finishing the loaded trips and the new 80 series trailer tire was a bit warmer than the other three 85 series LT tires, all bearings and brakes were cool to the touch and there did not appear to be any tread scuffing on the new tire.
Right or wrong- as these tires wear/age will replace with the 80 series instead of the 85 series. It appears that 80 series tires are about an inch smaller in diameter vs. 85 series, so changing both tires on a side to 80 series would buy about an inch of extra (factory?) clearance between the treads.
From the little looking on line I have done it seems that 80 series tires are (trailer) and 85 series are LT?

This thread brings out an interesting dilemma for some who want to run LT tires in place of the stock trailer tires,- at least in the sizes I am dealing with- there doesn't seem to be a direct replacement for size 235 80 16 in a load range E LT tire

 

[Midniteoyl]

This thread brings out an interesting dilemma for some who want to run LT tires in place of the stock trailer tires,- at least in the sizes I am dealing with- there doesn't seem to be a direct replacement for size 235 80 16 in a load range E LT tire

LT245/75R16 vs ST235/80R16

Dia: 30.5" vs 30.8"

Width: 9.6" vs 9.3"

Sidewall: 7.2" vs 7.4"

Circum: 95.7" vs 96.7"

Revs/Mile: 662 vs 655


Also, 9.5R16.5LT for those with 16.5" rims is also very close. In fact, its right in between the two above.

 

[Beltzington]

Thought I would follow up with a final report: Thursday, after 3 attempts Sam's finally provided my two new wheels and tires with a high pressure stem and balanced as requested. Yesterday I mounted them and serviced the bearings as they had a little play. Inflated tires to 55psi but this morning both were at 51psi likely the 30 degree difference in outside air temp between yesterday afternoon and this morning. Just got back from a 20 mile test drive at highway speeds (65mph) and both tires and hubs were just slightly warm to the touch, tires measured 127 degrees F with my cheap infrared meter. By the way Greenball ST tires are imported from China but seemed to be well made, sidewalls were uniform and the treads were straight. I have done all I can to prepare for our vacation this week and hopefully will not be on the side of the road changing tires, I now have two spares if needed. If these new tires fail I am going with P or LT tire for sure. Thanks for all the advice.

 

[ultrarunner]

Have a great time on vacation and stay safe...

 

[tcartwri]

Ouch. Tires aren't supposed to be that complicated, at least in a perfect world....

I haven't yet, but I know people here who order from Tirerack.com, at least when our dollar is healthy. Any etailer can still mess up, but I'd expect that a reputable one would ship you the corrected product and pick up the faulty ones at their cost - at least on your side of the border.

Service levels are often not that high up here, and many products are definitely less available - I picked up my Greenball tires in NY state.

The local tire shop I've counted on for years is no more, so I will probably price online next time.

I've done well with balancing beads (powder) in my LTs..... I should quit being lazy and figure out what the smallest tire they will work with is..... maybe I'll put a bead breaker on my Christmas list.....

Rgds, D.

Have a look at PMC Tire out of Sherbrooke. Particularly for snow tires.

Amazing service.

Pmctire.com

 

[3930dave]

Thought I would follow up with a final report: Thursday, after 3 attempts Sam's finally provided my two new wheels and tires with a high pressure stem and balanced as requested. Yesterday I mounted them and serviced the bearings as they had a little play. Inflated tires to 55psi but this morning both were at 51psi likely the 30 degree difference in outside air temp between yesterday afternoon and this morning. Just got back from a 20 mile test drive at highway speeds (65mph) and both tires and hubs were just slightly warm to the touch, tires measured 127 degrees F with my cheap infrared meter. By the way Greenball ST tires are imported from China but seemed to be well made, sidewalls were uniform and the treads were straight. I have done all I can to prepare for our vacation this week and hopefully will not be on the side of the road changing tires, I now have two spares if needed. If these new tires fail I am going with P or LT tire for sure. Thanks for all the advice.

You've done your homework, and there is plenty of good TBN karma going your way..... happy trails and smooth running :steeringwheel:

Rgds, D.