Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow?

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   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #41  
Why is the focus on "Firearm" homicide rate? Being killed with a knife, bomb, truck, fists, blunt object, etc. is somehow more noble? Dead is dead.

Maybe we should look at all causes of murder and focus on the why, not the how.
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #42  
Sadly the bulk of the dimwitted electorate in Taxachusetts will think this actually helps mitgiate "gun crime".

But it does mitigate "gun crime." It is all about definition. By definition if there are no guns there are no "gun crimes." I guess it is ok to have overall crime increase or it is somehow more noble to be killed with a pressure cooker bomb than with a gun.
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #43  
But it does mitigate "gun crime." It is all about definition. By definition if there are no guns there are no "gun crimes." I guess it is ok to have overall crime increase or it is somehow more noble to be killed with a pressure cooker bomb than with a gun.
Or to be run over by a truck instead of being shot.

Aaron Z
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #44  
Because a disarmed civilian population suits an authoritarian government better ? Just look at Europe, China, Russia etc. How many millions killed by their own governments again ?

Why is the focus on "Firearm" homicide rate? Being killed with a knife, bomb, truck, fists, blunt object, etc. is somehow more noble? Dead is dead.

Maybe we should look at all causes of murder and focus on the why, not the how.
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #45  
But it does mitigate "gun crime." It is all about definition. By definition if there are no guns there are no "gun crimes." I guess it is ok to have overall crime increase or it is somehow more noble to be killed with a pressure cooker bomb than with a gun.

You miss the point. If legal firearm possession banned, there will still be "gun crime", and criminals will still have guns. If one examines murder statistics, many more people are murdered by blunt objects and/or hand or fist than by long guns of all types. Banning a particular long gun will have a negligible effect on "gun crime", or murder statistics in general. The Clinton-era "Assault Weapons Ban" had zero effect on crime and was therefore logically allowed to expire.
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #46  
Why is the focus on "Firearm" homicide rate? Being killed with a knife, bomb, truck, fists, blunt object, etc. is somehow more noble? Dead is dead. Maybe we should look at all causes of murder and focus on the why, not the how.
Agree all causes are important but countries where lots of firearms are available tend to have higher murder rates. Firearms are more efficient, deadlier and when readily available quicker. What might be an assault without a gun turns to homicide with a gun. Our firearm homicide rate is what distinguishes us from other "advanced" countries. Compare US homicide rates to Europe or Oceana
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #47  
They are all illegal and unconstitutional, PERIOD. Even the federal laws outlawing automatic weapons are unconstitutional.

Why is it that no one seems to be able to understand what the second amendment says or can fathom it's true purpose?
It is very clearly worded and it's meaning and intend are abundantly clear to anyone with half a brain. What the second says is that the right to keep and bear arms, any arms, is guaranteed.
It's purpose it so that the people can protect themselves against a government run amuck. It has nothing to do with home invaders, wild natives, rapist, robbers, snakes, bears, mountain lions or any other critter or person seeking to do you harm. It has to do with your own government seeking to do you harm.

A militia has nothing to do with any government controlled type of army at any level of government. The minutemen were a militia. The framers clearly knew who the minutemen were and it was the same the phrase well regulated militia refers to in the second amendment. For those who don't know, the minutemen was an army of insurrection that was in open rebellion against the government then in power which in the minds of the minutemen had run completely amok and become tyrannical.

When the British marched on Concord it was to cease (illegally horded) cannon, shot and power which were equivalent to the weapons of mass destruction of the day. The framers intended the second amendment to prevent something like Lexington and Concord from happening in this country again. It's extended purpose is to ensure that the government fears and respects the people so the people need never fear their own government.

No judge, not even the supreme court can suspend the constitution or any part of it. No state or local government can tamper with or pose restraints on the constitution. No member of the administration including the President of the United States has the power to tamper with the constitution or any of its provisions. The ONE and ONLY LEGAL way to amend, mess or tamper with the 2nd amendment such as infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms in any form is though the constitutional amendment process as described in Article 5 of the constitution itself. To my knowledge the 2nd has never been amended nor has anyone had the stones to attempt to amend it. Although they do attempt to slime around it all the time like the cowards they are. They may pass laws but those laws are unconstitutional therefore illegal as the constitution is the SUPREME law of the land. Each and every person who passes these laws has also sworn an oath to uphold the constitution as the supreme law of the land. According to the constitution they have to in order to hold any office at all. Every legislator, every member of the administration and every member of the judicial branch does. Every lawyer, soldier and sailor also does. The constitution is the ultimate trump card that trumps all other trumps. No other law, rule or regulation is valid against it.

We are either a nation of laws or we are not. Law can not be applied to some and not to all equally. This is exactly what the constitution is all about and has always been all about.

There is a word for those in power who attempt to hold themselves above the law and hold the rest in contempt and that word is TYRANT.

The intent and purpose of the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments) was to keep tyrants at bay by providing the people the tools they need to maintain this nation as a one where freedom and liberty reign supreme and for all times. It would be fair to consider anyone who attempts to waltz around any part of the Bill of Rights as potential tyrant with ill intent.

The constitution says and means what the courts say it means. Period! NOT what you know and / or believe it means.
With liberals taking over the courts, the courts could rule that the 2nd amendment only applies to militias and there are no militias in the USA.
Lower courts have made this ruling before!
Beware! Be very aware!
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #48  
The constitution says and means what the courts say it means. Period! NOT what you know and / or believe it means.
With liberals taking over the courts, the courts could rule that the 2nd amendment only applies to militias and there are no militias in the USA.
Lower courts have made this ruling before!
Beware! Be very aware!

The 2nd Amendment text:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The underline part is most important...it specifies "the right of the people", not the right of the militia or right of the state.
The militia is a subset of the people (all of us), thus the people have the right.
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #49  
The 2nd Amendment text: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The underline part is most important...it specifies "the right of the people", not the right of the militia or right of the state. The militia is a subset of the people (all of us), thus the people have the right.
Have you ever read Robert Bork on 2nd amendment?
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #50  
Have you ever read Robert Bork on 2nd amendment?

Yes, I have...Bork was in error, as many "liberal" constitutional law "experts" agreed the right is an individual right. Scalia was a genius at constitutional interpretation...although in the case of the 2nd Amendment...doesn't take an "expert"...just someone who can read.

I didn't care for all of Scalia's ruling, but I'll admit...they were always constitutional
 
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