Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow?

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   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #251  
He fits the description of internet troll. He seems only to be here to agitate and disgust those opposing views. True debate can educate people but that's not the case here.

You are correct. I've never heard someone spew so much about a subject that he doesn't seem to know much about. He can't even define what it is he's against, but he knows he's against it. Who knows, maybe I'd agree with the guy, but he can't even tell me what he's talking about!
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #252  
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   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #253  
He fits the description of internet troll. He seems only to be here to agitate and disgust those opposing views. True debate can educate people but that's not the case here.
And when was the last time you did some research that involved
more than parroting NRA talking points? True debate requires independent research and thinking. I'm well aware y'all are fed up with gun control discussions but keep in mind that this one started over the closing of a simple technical loop hole in a state law and involves the right of a state to determine it's own gun laws. Contrary to what some of you believe, states are allowed to do that. I thought you were big proponents of state's rights or is that only when states do things you personally agree with? I imagine the only reason this came up for debate here was some hysterical hand waving from the NRA.
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #254  
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   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #255  
And when was the last time you did some research that involved
more than parroting NRA talking points? True debate requires independent research and thinking. I'm well aware y'all are fed up with gun control discussions but keep in mind that this one started over the closing of a simple technical loop hole in a state law and involves the right of a state to determine it's own gun laws. Contrary to what some of you believe, states are allowed to do that. I thought you were big proponents of state's rights or is that only when states do things you personally agree with? I imagine the only reason this came up for debate here was some hysterical hand waving from the NRA.

The state still has to comply with the Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment...and the closing of "a simple loophole" that requires legislative action...not an AG doing it for nothing more then political points is not a valid answer.
Also, I strongly suggest you cease bringing any references to the NRA up....we're making OUR statements, not the NRA's statements
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #256  
And when was the last time you did some research that involved
more than parroting NRA talking points? True debate requires independent research and thinking. I'm well aware y'all are fed up with gun control discussions but keep in mind that this one started over the closing of a simple technical loop hole in a state law and involves the right of a state to determine it's own gun laws. Contrary to what some of you believe, states are allowed to do that. I thought you were big proponents of state's rights or is that only when states do things you personally agree with? I imagine the only reason this came up for debate here was some hysterical hand waving from the NRA.

You keep quoting the NRA.. I haven't heard anything from them yet on this issue.. Why won't you understand the NRA is us? You have the tail wagging the dog. All of your friends seem to do this as well. The NRA is about the membership. You refuse to believe this.. Why don't you join the NRA so you can learn more?
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #257  
And when was the last time you did some research that involved more than parroting NRA talking points? True debate requires independent research and thinking. I'm well aware y'all are fed up with gun control discussions but keep in mind that this one started over the closing of a simple technical loop hole in a state law and involves the right of a state to determine it's own gun laws. Contrary to what some of you believe, states are allowed to do that. I thought you were big proponents of state's rights or is that only when states do things you personally agree with? I imagine the only reason this came up for debate here was some hysterical hand waving from the NRA.

Do you actually believe the NRA is telling folks what to believe or is it that the NRA is speaking out for it's members?

You likely believe that anyone who listens to Rush is a mind numbed robot too.

It shows your lack of understanding IT.
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #258  
There was another ISIS attack in France today. Knives were used. If France would just pass some sensible knife laws, this kind of thing wouldn't happen. I bet they were using some of those assault knives. The last thing we need is people running around with those kind of knives. I know this really doesn't help the argument either way but I feel better saying it out loud. Another terrible event and it happend in a church to a priest.

I once saw someone put forth the statement "would the world be a better place without guns"? The idea that if you could somehow make them all disappear, would that be a good thing?
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #259  
And when was the last time you did some research that involved
more than parroting NRA talking points? True debate requires independent research and thinking. I'm well aware y'all are fed up with gun control discussions but keep in mind that this one started over the closing of a simple technical loop hole in a state law and involves the right of a state to determine it's own gun laws. Contrary to what some of you believe, states are allowed to do that. I thought you were big proponents of state's rights or is that only when states do things you personally agree with? I imagine the only reason this came up for debate here was some hysterical hand waving from the NRA.

The law is clear in this respect; the states have some leeway in the matter of gun control, but their laws are still subject to the Second Amendment in the same manner as it applies to the federal government. The Supreme Court indicated that although the right to keep and bear arms in your own home is absolute, the state has some ability to regulate the when and where and always have. Any law or interpretation still must comply with the Second amendment, however.


In all good conscience, I have to say a few words on IT's behalf. What we are witnessing are arguments by an educated, erudite man who is convinced that his liberal beliefs are solid and would benefit most of America if they were enacted into law. He is also expressing an opinion that comes from being born and raised in the North, in an urban area, where guns are used by police or by criminals to kill and rob. More than likely, he was raised in a gated community and the only experience he has with guns is treating gunshot wounds. I'm willing to bet he has never hunted rabbits, squirrel, deer, turkey, quail or doves to put meat on the table or even hunted them for recreation as most of us have. The city perspective on life and liberty is considerably different from those of us raised in the country.

I was raised a country boy, in a time when the great depression was playing out, between WWII and Korea. We were dirt poor, and we hunted to put meat on the table. My Grandfather and my Dad were raised on the farm where guns were as much a part of their lives as a cow or a tractor. I got my first gun when I was thirteen years old, and have killed enough game to feed all of the Republicans in Oklahoma county. We learned gun safety early, and have a healthy respect for what they can do, both good and bad. I have also shot trap and skeet for recreation, and spent a considerable amount of time with my best friend just plinking cans or turtles. I can appreciate the beauty and workmanship of a good firearm, both as a tool and as a piece of art.

I say take heed of what IT says. At least he is not a wild eyed fanatic that spouts off a bunch of irrational BS. We need to hear what the opposition says in order to keep us straight, no matter how righteous we believe our cause. We need to be able to understand the philosophy and reasoning behind the opposition in order to counter their arguments. Right now we have the law on our side; and rightfully so...but it may not always be that way unless we can articulate our position. Remember, the urban crowd loses nothing if we lose all of our gun rights, and in fact most would be happy about it...for awhile. We have to focus on the criminal instead of the gun, and keep the opposition focused there also. I am reminded of the quote from the movie Shane:

Marian Starrett: Guns aren't going to be my boy's life!

Joey: Why do you always have to spoil everything?

Shane: A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.

Marian Starrett: We'd all be much better off if there wasn't a single gun left in this valley - including yours.



A Gun Is a Tool - Shane (5/8) Movie CLIP (1953) HD - YouTube
 
   / Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow? #260  
At least he is not a wild eyed fanatic that spouts off a bunch of irrational BS.

really?
 
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