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Hi all. "Need" is a strong word, regardless I don't know how much tractor I need. This post is thorough to avoid the need for more information from me later.

We have recently bought 5 acres in northern Illinois. The property is 5 all mowed except a small area of trees. The yard is fairly nice around the house. Beyond the outbuilding, it's bumpy weedy and has some small inclines. We currently mow with an exmark zrt mower which does a fine job. We will likely not use the tractor for mowing.

The potential jobs we would like the tractor for are:
-planting trees
-creating a garden space for blueberries and raspberries
-creating a large garden space that will require ground leveling, as the same space will serve as a winter ice rink
-digging fence posts for said rink garden
-it will serve as long asphalt driveway maintenance (moving snow, but not via snowblower implement)
-keeping gravel drive to outbuilding maintained
-maybe making jumps for dirt bikes
-another pipe dream is making a duck pond if we get the permission to do so.

I realize some of these jobs will take a while. We do not need to rush anything but are fairly screwed if we get a major snowfall before we get the tractor. We have a walk behind snowblower only.

I tried winning some auctions and it's not working out. So maybe we are buying new. Closest dealer is Kubota. Owner seemed nice and professional. My uncle owns Kubota and recommends it. The two models the owner showed us were:

1) theBX25D-1 because it comes with the backhoe and loader. We could purchase the mower deck for half price($1k) if we wanted to have two of us mowing simultaneously. 0% for 60 months less $500 rebate. $18000.

2) the L2501 with loader only. Same financing less $1300. Or Less $1500, cash. $18150. The backhoe implement is $7000. So it's more like $25000 to make even on the implements.

I get these are two different animals. The power of the L2501 loader was impressive. I always think bigger is better and uncle said you buy little and trade in on big anyway as you find more uses for the tractor.

They retain value well. Uncle said he wouldn't buy used for this reason especially if you can't see the tractor in person. Said 1000 hours mowing flat versus lifting boulders is completely different wear and tear. Finding local used isn't easy because they go quickly from the dealer and craigslist doesn't have much. If I found one on auction used, I would need delivery and that savings could be eaten in freight. Local dealer delivers free.

What would you do if you were me? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
 
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IMHO, I'd go for the L2501 (or similar) with the FEL + a 3rd remote for future FEL implements such as a 4in1 bucket or grapple. The Cat 1 3PH will handle what you'll need for the other tasks listed... with the exception of backhoe work. For that, I'd hire a backhoe to accomplish those tasks when required.

Unless, of course, you're one of those who 'needs' to have their own. :)

Listen to your Uncle. In fact, take him along with you when you're shopping/discussing/haggling for the tractor. It's your choice, but I'd check out similar makes by the other "colours"... see how they fit you and the other potential operators. Ask your neighbours opinion on which dealerships give the best support to their customers after a sale.
 
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L2501 is a great machine and sounds like more than enough tractor for what you described. (For that matter the BX does too. If you don't really 'need' the backhoe you might look at a B23 or 2601 and maybe save some money. None would be a bad choice based on what you described.
 
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BX series has 9" of ground clearance. You may find this limiting. Two speed transmission yields top speed of 6.5 mph. It will take awhile to move around five acres.

L2501 has full size tractor 13"+ ground clearance. Three Speed HST transmission yields top speed of 10.3 mph, not fast but faster than 6.5 mph.
Heavier, more stable tractor, larger, torquier engine.

KUBOTA: http://www.kubota.com/product/LSeries/L2501.aspx

Without specifying 2-WD vs 4-WD, transmission and tires, the L2501 price of $18,150 does not mean much. You definitely want Hydrostatic (HST) transmission. HST pairs perfectly with a roto-tiller.


Jobs for the tractor are:

-creating a garden space for blueberries and raspberries
-creating a large garden space that will require ground leveling, as the same space will serve as a winter ice rink
~~A PTO powered roto-tiller is the optimal small tractor implement for loosening ground. You can grade softened ground with a Ratchet Rake bucket attachment.

VIDEO: SMALL TRACTOR ROTOTILLER - YouTube

ratchet rake brush clearing - YouTube


-digging fence posts for said rink garden
-planting trees
~~You can rent an earth auger or have your kids, or neighbor kids, get some experience with a manual Post Hole Digger. Sixty holes?
~~For trees, you can soften the ground with a Three Point Hitch mounted Subsoiler, then shovel out the spoil with a spade.


VIDEO: SMALL TRACTOR SUBSOILER - YouTube


-it will serve as long asphalt driveway maintenance (moving snow, but not via snowblower implement)
~~FEL bucket


-keeping gravel drive to outbuilding maintained ((How long?))
~~You can grade with a Ratchet Rake bucket attachment.

-maybe making jumps for dirt bikes
~~FEL with a digging dedicated Tooth Bar. Piranha (brand) is favored on this forum.

VIDEO: piranha tooth bar - YouTube


-making a duck pond
~~FEL with a digging dedicated Tooth Bar. Piranha (brand) is favored on this forum.

None of the tasks you specified requires a $7,000 Backhoe. Spend the money on a heavier tractor.

BUY ENOUGH TRACTOR

Ratchet Rake is sold by the TBN store, button at top of this page, among other venders. Delivery by FedEx.
 

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Ah can't take uncle. He's in Vermont. Can you tell me what a cat 1 3PH is? I'm a rookie and don't know all the abbreviations. We are impressed we got the meaning of FEL 😳
 
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You NEED a really good dealer. You will have MANY more questions than what a 3pth is.
(Category 1 three point hitch)
 
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It's 4WD L2501 for 18150$. Should've said that. The FEL digging dedicated tooth bar by piranha. Is That something that goes on the loader that comes with the tractor or do we just need this specific type of loader? Ugh I'm such a rookie.
 
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Can you tell me what a cat 1 3PH is? We are impressed we got the meaning of FEL ��

Three Point Hitch is the standardized equipment on the rear of tractors to which most implements (tools) are connected with large pins. Three Point Hitch makes the tractor and implement one unit. Most compact tractors have a Category I (Cat I) size hitch. Beginning at ~~40-horsepower~~ a larger, heavier Category II hitch is required.

There are larger Category III and IV Three Points too, but seldom discussed on tractorbynet.com, which is mostly about 16-horsepower to 60-horsepower compact tractors.

All Three Point Hitches include a center mounted Power Take Off (PTO)

It was Harry Ferguson's invention of the Three Point Hitch that made the small tractor practical. Ferguson's first licensee in the USA was Henry Ford, in 1938.
 
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The FEL digging dedicated tooth bar by piranha. Is That something that goes on the loader that comes with the tractor or do we just need this specific type of loader? Ugh I'm such a rookie.

Only the 10% who were raised on farms with tractors were not rookies in the beginning.

Most attachments are generic, including the Piranha Tooth Bar, so they will fit Kubotas, John Deeres, Massey-Fergusons, et al.

PIRANHA VENDER: BXpanded Piranha Tooth Bar
 
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I think the L2501 would be a great tractor for your intended purposes. Skip the backhoe, though. I just don't see how you could possibly have enough need on 5 acres to justify a backhoe. Now if you wanted to put in a foundation for a new house and put in several hundred yards of water/power lines sure, but that doesn't sound like the case. We rented a mini-ex two falls ago. Paid $225 for 24 hours. Ran out of things to do with it. Also, backhoes are pain to take off and put on. It's not the end of the world, but it means that you'll be less inclined to swap out the mower or tiller for the backhoe and vice versa.

You should also consider the Kioti ck2610. It's a direct competitor to the l2501. If I was buying one or the other, it'd probably be the Kubota, because I have a great dealership and they're currently offering better financing, but it's worth a look-see.
 
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Thanks for all the help Jeff and for not making me feel dumb. This whole thing is a process. Sounds like go bigger. Get the tooth bar. Forget the backhoe due to price. Get roto tiller. Maybe rent when post holes are needed. Then forgot to answer driveway of gravel. That one is 12' wide and 150' long
 
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Gravel driveway is 12' wide and 150' long

Unless subject to severe weather, flooding and heavy use, the Ratchet Rake should suffice. At any rate, start there.

Roto-tiller will get to the bottom of pot holes.
 
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Sorry about throwing tractor related acronyms around, Mate. I usually include the long version followed by the acronym... forgot to, this time. :ashamed:

Oh, and don't 'feel dumb'. Each and every one of us has learnt something new on this site. I've only owned/operated my tractors for 3 years and I'm still/always learning.

Seeing as your Uncle is over in Vermont, I'd still consider taking a knowledgeable neighbour along with you for advice. It'll be a fun day out for him (or her) and the International-Standard going "price" for the advice is a new tractor ball-cap! :thumbsup:
 
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we shouldn't get flooding. Husband is asking about box blades on gravel drive. I assume this is more expensive than the ratchet rake, as that's cheap. Likely make do with the rake
 
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On small tractors, like the L2501, the down oriented teeth on a Ratchet Rake will do everything a Box Blade will do but more slowly.

When you buy a Box Blade you are buying steel to make the Box Blade heavy.

You attach a Ratchet Rake to the FEL bucket, so all the weight of the bucket, about 250 pounds, is utilized.

You can store a Ratchet Rake in the corner of the garage. Box Blades and other Three Point Hitch implements take up quite a bit of room.

Start with a Ratchet Rake.


June 9, 2016:

I own both a Ratchet Rake and a Rollover Box Blade.

I have been contemplating Ratchet Rake versus light Box Blade of late.

I like the Ratchet Rake, which I recommend based on 600 hours experience.

This post concerns Ratchet Rakes Vs. light Box Blades, such as the 60" Land Pride BB1260/346 pounds/69 pounds per foot.

I searched for the weight of kubota L3301 bucket but could not find a number. I presume L3301 bucket weighs approximately 240 pounds, extrapolating from other kubota specs. 68" Ratchet Rake weighs 88 pounds. Adding 240 + 88 = 328 pounds, pretty close to 346 pounds of BB1260 Box Blade.

In addition, the (operator controlled) weight of the FEL frame bears on the Ratchet Rake. Likewise, weight of the Three Point Hitch bears on the Box Blade. FEL frames weigh much more than ( 3X? 4X?) Three Point Hitch components. So, including some FEL weight, I guesstimate that ground contact pressure on Ratchet Rake and BB1260 would be at least equal, perhaps greater pressure on the Ratchet Rake.

Further in Ratchet Rake's favor you have articulation of bucket/RR combination in two planes from the operator's station and 1-1/2" serrated teeth on the Ratchet Rake.

Box Blade can be raised and lowered hydraulically from the operator's station. Box Blade angle of attack is adjustable via the Three Point Hitch Top Link, but not from the operator's station. Standard Box Blade does not have rippers, standard is a smooth cutting edge.

Ratchet Rake is capable of tearing up sod with its serrated teeth, the initial operation in much grading. The Ratchet Rake will not pull as large a load as a Box Blade but it may pull 40% of capacity of BB1260 per pass, with faster cycles. Ratchet Rake is more intuitive in operation than a Box Blade, which requires considerable experience to operate efficiently.

This is why I feel the Ratchet Rake is superior to light Box Blades for LIGHT grading.

This is a novel assessment of the Ratchet Rake. Subject to revision and modification.

When I have heavy grading to do, I mount my 60"/625 pound (125 pounds per foot) Bush Hog (brand) Rollover Box Blade on the tractor's Three Point Hitch AND the Ratchet Rake on my FEL bucket.
 

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Wow. Ok. Very thorough description. Learned a lot. Definitely think big tractor is obvious at this point. Backhoe isn't needed. Those items that attach to the FEL and call it a day!!
 
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Once you get a tractor, neighbors who do not have tractors, but have tractor tasks, materialize from far and near, bearing pies.

Once you get a tractor, new tractor uses will occur to you regularly, such as taking out the trash can. You will buy implements based on experience and need, the best way.

On TBN we try to point you in the right direction and suggest questions to ask your tractor dealer.

Tractors are theft prone. Make sure you have secure tractor storage, preferably with humidity control.

Remember the ROTO-TILLER! You will get it cheaper if you negotiate tiller price as part of tractor purchase.
 
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