George2615
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They do have cruise but they don't have auto throttle that I know of..
Comparison LS XR4145 or TYM T454? Anyone test drive both?
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They do have cruise but they don't have auto throttle that I know of..
Fallon
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Correct, both have cruise control, but not auto throttle. The TYM had a rocker to increase/decrease speed & as it has a servo controled HST, I'm assuming it ties in with the electronics there. I THINK the LS is just a hit your target speed & set the cruise type setup. I'm guessing it essentially just holds the HST pedal in a fixed position. I didn't mess with either cruise control at all, so I can't tell how well they worked or gain much insight into how it worked based on using it. I want to say the cabbed LS had cruise as well, but that doesn't make sense as that was a shuttle. You just put it in the right gear then set the throttle for cruise there. So don't rely on my memory for the specifics on that.
blb078
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The 29.5k price for the 40hp seems high by about 1-2k depending on where you are. Just bought a 4150hc and got a lot of options but the way the ticket was written up was 29.4k for the 50hp so you may have a little room there or have them add in an implement or something. I was in the same situation as you when looking at the JD and Kubota, are they worth 10k more? In my mind they are not. LS also makes some of the Case Farmall compacts too like they do NH both of them are the same as the 3000/4000 series LS using the Shibura engine and they use different loaders. LS seems to be trying to make a good foot print into the compact/utility tractor market here which is also good for parts/service later on if needed.
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1stDeuce
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Must be I learned about auto throttle when I was more centered on Kioti, and a smaller tractor. It would have been easy to add to an LS, or any newer tractor for that matter. Just need another sensor for throttle, or a linkage to the foot feed for the hydrostat...
Fallon
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I think the LS is a mechanical throttle, unlike Kubota, JD & TYM. Would be hard to impossible to easily add if so. Makes me wonder why TYM doesn't have it though.
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1stDeuce
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No, the LS 31xx and 41xx series tractors with LS engines are Delphi Common Rail, so definitely electrically controlled. The 41xx tractors even have a switch driven engine PTO speed system, where you program in an rpm, and then engage it by switch w/o touching the throttles...
I drove a HST XR3037 this morning. It works pretty neat. (My first drive in anything HST!) It goes when you push the pedals, and stops almost immediately when you release. In low and med range, it was very capable and easy to control. I was on a slight grade, and bumpy ground, and high wasn't so ideal. I think it must be more of a road speed. I'm sure using the correct range for the task is important, and med seemed about right for most use. I was surprised that it would skid the tires if you were moving with a lot of pedal, and released it quickly. I expected a lot of roll, but there was really none. It was also nice that the brake pedals were on the left, so you could actually use them. Seems I've seen a few HST's with brakes on the right, which means you can only use the brake if your foot is off the HST pedal(s).
I was also impressed with the size of the XR3037. It's a pretty big tractor!! It also has the steering ram behind the front axle, but only has one ram, with a tie rod to the other side. The tie rod is in front of the axle...
I also drove a XR4150 TLB. It was REALLY nice!! The only negative I could come up with is that the shuttle lever is kinda short, and doesn't move back when you tilt the wheel back. You have to kinda lean forward to shift it, and being so short, you have to push kinda hard on it. I got used to it quickly just messing around in the yard, so probably just different than the MF I've run, not necessarily bad... I also noticed that the front tires (AG) rubbed the loader mount a bit at full lock in both directions. You could see the rub marks, and hear the treads going "fup fup fup" as they snagged and let go. Wonder if the Ind tires do that too?
I drove a HST XR3037 this morning. It works pretty neat. (My first drive in anything HST!) It goes when you push the pedals, and stops almost immediately when you release. In low and med range, it was very capable and easy to control. I was on a slight grade, and bumpy ground, and high wasn't so ideal. I think it must be more of a road speed. I'm sure using the correct range for the task is important, and med seemed about right for most use. I was surprised that it would skid the tires if you were moving with a lot of pedal, and released it quickly. I expected a lot of roll, but there was really none. It was also nice that the brake pedals were on the left, so you could actually use them. Seems I've seen a few HST's with brakes on the right, which means you can only use the brake if your foot is off the HST pedal(s).
I was also impressed with the size of the XR3037. It's a pretty big tractor!! It also has the steering ram behind the front axle, but only has one ram, with a tie rod to the other side. The tie rod is in front of the axle...
I also drove a XR4150 TLB. It was REALLY nice!! The only negative I could come up with is that the shuttle lever is kinda short, and doesn't move back when you tilt the wheel back. You have to kinda lean forward to shift it, and being so short, you have to push kinda hard on it. I got used to it quickly just messing around in the yard, so probably just different than the MF I've run, not necessarily bad... I also noticed that the front tires (AG) rubbed the loader mount a bit at full lock in both directions. You could see the rub marks, and hear the treads going "fup fup fup" as they snagged and let go. Wonder if the Ind tires do that too?
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1stDeuce
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Oh, and the loader will curl and lift at the same time, but with the empty bucket, it's easier to curl than lift, so you get more curl action than lift. I wonder if you had something in the bucket if it might lift faster and curl slower. Anyway, it can do both, it's just a matter of it doing the one that takes less hyd pressure I think. It also would dump and lower at the same time, etc. I think the tractor Fallon checked was just a bit more sticky on the lift, so he may have only got curl... ??? I wonder how other mfg's get both at the same rate regardless of load, if they do??
George2615
Super Member
They probably do rub. The 4150 uses larger tires than the 3037 and I suspect the loader frame on both is very similar. R4's on my 3037 only come within 2" of the loader frame but the 4150 R4's are 12-16.5 compared to 25x8.5-14 on the 3037.
Loader does curl and lift as you noted but curls faster than lift. Just a matter of getting used to it. Lift speeds up with RPM and pump speed but so does curl.
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1stDeuce
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Interesting... So I wonder if putting on curl cyl's with bigger bore would slow down curl... And give more curl strength, which I've seen a few complain about in general... I only ran them at about 1300rpm, but loader performance seemed OK to me, as far as speed goes... Comparable to the MF1533 anyway... I did notice that the dump gets ahead, and there's some "flop" as a result, so perhaps the flow limiter some have added would solidify the loader... Do other brands come with flow limiters or what??
I am going to call back Monday and see just how far he'll come down on the 4150... I really only want a 4140, but he'd have to order one in, and he's been sitting on this 4150 since April... And he said he'd pull the backhoe if I'll buy the tractor... His initial quote on the 4150 w/o bh is ~$3500 higher than I can get a 4140 for. I'll have to shop around some more this week...
I am going to call back Monday and see just how far he'll come down on the 4150... I really only want a 4140, but he'd have to order one in, and he's been sitting on this 4150 since April... And he said he'd pull the backhoe if I'll buy the tractor... His initial quote on the 4150 w/o bh is ~$3500 higher than I can get a 4140 for. I'll have to shop around some more this week...
Fallon
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The HST can be mechanically controlled instead of electronically controlled regardless of whether the engine is mechanically controlled or electronically controlled.
To do the auto throttle, you kind of need both engine & HST to be electronically controlled. You could do it, but it would be a bit harder to have it balance go pedal with throttle as it adjusts.
To do the auto throttle, you kind of need both engine & HST to be electronically controlled. You could do it, but it would be a bit harder to have it balance go pedal with throttle as it adjusts.
