Another "Help me buy my next welder" thread
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Mark @ Everlast
Advertiser
As far as what Yomax said about not being true, he knows his stuff on that. You may know people that work in Miller's factory, sure, but if they are they are merely assemblers, not part makers. Miller's units, and not just the entry level stuff, say "assembled in the USA".
roadhunter
Elite Member
I can tell you that the Miller manuals are easy to understand and well written and the Everlast manuals are just the opposite and make you think someone in China wrote the manual and later it was badly translated and nobody bothered to even review it, spell check, or make other corrections.
Another example is the Everlast website. When I was buying my I Mig 200 I noticed they had the wrong picture on the web page for that model Just checked and they still have not fixed it and that was a couple of years ago. Look at the first pic and compare the face to the other pics of the machine. Obviously 2 different machines.
MIG Welder, Power i-MIG 2 - Everlast Generators
They use the same first picture on the I MIG 205 and 210 as well but other pics show a different face with 2 knobs on the right.
Power i-MIG 25 - MIG Welders | Everlast Generators
Power i-MIG 21 - MIG Welders | Everlast Generators
So if a company is not willing to translate a owners manual or even get the correct pics on their website just imagine where else costs are cut in manufacturing.
Just Sayin.
Another example is the Everlast website. When I was buying my I Mig 200 I noticed they had the wrong picture on the web page for that model Just checked and they still have not fixed it and that was a couple of years ago. Look at the first pic and compare the face to the other pics of the machine. Obviously 2 different machines.
MIG Welder, Power i-MIG 2 - Everlast Generators
They use the same first picture on the I MIG 205 and 210 as well but other pics show a different face with 2 knobs on the right.
Power i-MIG 25 - MIG Welders | Everlast Generators
Power i-MIG 21 - MIG Welders | Everlast Generators
So if a company is not willing to translate a owners manual or even get the correct pics on their website just imagine where else costs are cut in manufacturing.
Just Sayin.
Shield Arc
Super Member
Who reads the manual? 
Mark @ Everlast
Advertiser
Let's just be clear here.
1) Websites go through transitions from time to time. I can find numerous errors on any of the big 3 sites. ESAB is terrible for finding anything. You'll find plenty of errors if you look elsewhere and compare fairly. Ours is in the middle of a mild multi-stage rebuild. We are actually putting up new photos now. It was a matter of having a new photo shoot scheduled to redo the whole line. New mig photos are being put up as they are made available. We had a sample photo up yes. But we had a decent image on the product page of the site that shows the actual unit and accessories.
2) You are wrong on the manuals. For several reasons. One, we don't translate the factory supplied pamphlets. Two: We write new ones, in English and provide them to our customers. Three: We've done so for some time. It does take a while longer than expected from time to time to put the kind of detail in the manuals we feel is sufficient, but we've gone the extra mile with what we try to put in our manuals and we've got a few unit manuals we are releasing and updating, but it is a continual process and effort. So, I don't know how this would be true on most all of our product. Your manual is here too if it is an imig 200. Tig Welding | Mig Welding | Plasma Welding
3) As far as the units mentioned above... there is a reason for that. We released a larger version with heavier duty cycle of the 205 last year with larger wire capacity and amperage. It has 210 amps at 50% duty cycle. People got confused by the change, so we decided to rename it the 210 and drop the 205 name. But some distributors still have the larger 205 in stock. We will take it down in a few months when we feel those have cleared their stock. But for now it is up. There is no difference functionally between the 205 and 210. And yes, they look identical except the name.
bubbacuse77
Platinum Member
Mark, your a salesman on a welding part of our forums, of course your going to spin your product. American made anything has foreign parts but engineering, quality control, and assembly are a big part of the overall quality of the machine. I'm all for inverter power sources. I love my Hypertherm Plama cutter and I just bought a new Lincoln TIG 200. Both work amazing and have great customer support. I don't know the first thing about your machines so I won't comment but I buy American for the reasons listed above.
Mark @ Everlast
Advertiser
I am not spinning my product. I wasn't even talking about my product there. Fact is fact. Miller was forced to start putting "assembled in USA" instead of made in USA on most of their product labels because their product no longer meets the legal definitions of made in America and some of it is outright imported broken down and finished off here. Your TIG 200 is Mexican made with chinese components, well I guess it could say "assembled in N. America".
Shield Arc
Super Member
I read somewhere that a lot of Lincoln welders are made in Mexico.
roadhunter
Elite Member
I'm not wrong Mark. The observations made about your manual are based off of experience.
The IMig 200 has looked that way for years, this isn't something new. The pic is just wrong and has been for years but you dont' want to admit it. But on the bright side the other pics on the description are right so it's just 1 to fix.
I love the excuse about the "new model" coming out. Seems to be one you like to repeat. Yet another reason not to buy a neverlast because the fix for this machines problems will be corrected in the next delivery from China in 6 months. You did the same thing with the 140 a couple of years ago when the new machines were going to have a better duty cycle and the current machines were on "special".
You have the same pic used on 3 of your items 200, 205, and 210 yet each page also has several pics of a different welder with a different face. You can make excuses but it woudl be better to just admit the items is being misrepresented and you will get the pics fixed. The first pic on 200 is 100% for sure not a 200.
I have come full circle with Everlast welders. I started out with the stick models which worked quite well but the Everlast mig machines I've owned did not work nearly as well. My experience with you has not been good and I would never buy another Everlast machine just because of my experience with you personally. You are a typical salesman in every way trying to jump on every welder thread and sell a machine by claiming your neverlast is just as good or better but half the price. Notice other welder manufacturing companies don't operate that way.
Now I will be happy to share my experience with your machines, you, as well as point out mistakes on your website.
The IMig 200 has looked that way for years, this isn't something new. The pic is just wrong and has been for years but you dont' want to admit it. But on the bright side the other pics on the description are right so it's just 1 to fix.
I love the excuse about the "new model" coming out. Seems to be one you like to repeat. Yet another reason not to buy a neverlast because the fix for this machines problems will be corrected in the next delivery from China in 6 months. You did the same thing with the 140 a couple of years ago when the new machines were going to have a better duty cycle and the current machines were on "special".
You have the same pic used on 3 of your items 200, 205, and 210 yet each page also has several pics of a different welder with a different face. You can make excuses but it woudl be better to just admit the items is being misrepresented and you will get the pics fixed. The first pic on 200 is 100% for sure not a 200.
I have come full circle with Everlast welders. I started out with the stick models which worked quite well but the Everlast mig machines I've owned did not work nearly as well. My experience with you has not been good and I would never buy another Everlast machine just because of my experience with you personally. You are a typical salesman in every way trying to jump on every welder thread and sell a machine by claiming your neverlast is just as good or better but half the price. Notice other welder manufacturing companies don't operate that way.
Now I will be happy to share my experience with your machines, you, as well as point out mistakes on your website.
