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Ford F150-I'm Done.
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Really? You believe that Chevy, Ford, and Ram are "american made" while Toyota and Nissan are not?
Thousands of Americans would be out of work if that were true.
It turned out not to be a brake problem but an electrical problem. Either a bad ground or a bad battery or both. Either way all kinds of funky stuff was happening. I over reacted because I have had so many problems with this truck I'm starting to hate it (around $4,000 in repairs at 85K miles). It's a '12 3.5L EB.
We have no problem buying either a Toyota or Nissan. Toyota is made right here in Tx. Not sure where the Nissan is made. We already own one Toyota car. These are just as "American" as any. A lot of vehicles are made in Canada and Mexico.
We have no problem buying either a Toyota or Nissan. Toyota is made right here in Tx. Not sure where the Nissan is made. We already own one Toyota car. These are just as "American" as any. A lot of vehicles are made in Canada and Mexico.
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My 2012 EB F150 is at 87k. I usually keep a truck to the end of tire life on second set of tires, that is, 100k or a bit more. But I am starting to look at new trucks already. I am curious what the $4k repairs were. I would not be happy with that either.
EPAS (electric steering) at 65k($1800) and the evap coil (ac coil under the dash). Both went out in the 60k range. Brakes 2x (although with eddie walkers post the 2nd set was probably defective).
Did you change the plugs yet also? I had to change mine once due to a bad misfire.
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Spark plugs ok. Only engine issue was an emissions sensor bad at 35k.
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I have no beef with Nissan or Toyota. Nor do I think they're American. I don't think GM or Dodge are any more American than Toyota or Nissan either. But the fact is, the F150 is the most American of the bunch. Need data to back it up?
No Surprise Here: These Are the Most "American-Made" Vehicles -- The Motley Fool
F150 is the only truck to make it into this list of 13 "most American" vehicles for 2016.
You don't need to be an American company to hire some Americans to do work ya need done. But 'the most American vehicles' do keep 'the most American workers' doing a larger variety of jobs.
Buying from those who are sourcing their parts from other places are sending your money to those other places and supporting those other communities.
Personally, the news articles about the Dodge assembly workers getting drunk and stoned on their lunch breaks has stuck in my mind and I'd not own a Dodge. They make heck of a tough driveline, but beyond that not much else has ever impressed me.
After watching the GM CEO bragging to China about shifting lots of their parts manufacturing to China back in like 2009 or some such, and claiming they would be shipping whole cars from China for global sales within ten years (which has since came true), it seems they're becoming a Chinese company and have been steering clear of their products for several years.
Regardless, if not the F150, I would buy a Toyota before a Dodge or GM truck... Not because of any of what I said above either, source doesn't really sway my decision much, it's just food for thought. I bought an F150 because I like it best out of all of them.
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It was most interesting visiting the plant where Mom's car was built.
Going down the same line in no particular order were Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibes...
Not sure how one would know which is more American.
Going down the same line in no particular order were Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibes...
Not sure how one would know which is more American.
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Thanks for listing your source for the statement. I appreciate that.
I would like to offer a couple different sources, and they use different criteria. The didn't appoint some points for certain questions that are important to them. They gauged by how much of the vehicle is made in America. Also, please note that the results from a study in 2014, 2015, or 2016 will all be different, because manufacturing processes change that quickly.
Talking Trucks Tuesdays: Made in America? - PickupTrucks.com News (20 Sept, 2016)
"For a vehicle to qualify for the 2016 Cars.com American-Made Index, 75 percent of its content had to be made in the U.S.; for 2016 just eight vehicles qualified and none were pickup trucks. In fact, the only "domestic" nameplates represented were the Buick Enclave, the Chevrolet Traverse and the GMC Acadia, a trio of GM SUVs all based off the same platform. The last time pickup trucks made the AMI list was 2014, when the F-150 came in first, the Toyota Tundra place fifth and the Honda Ridgeline eighth."
15 Trucks, SUVs, and Vans With the Most North-American-Made Parts (Feb 20, 2015)
"Who would have thought the fifth-best-selling full-size truck from a Japanese automaker would have the most North American parts content on our list? In fact, the Toyota Tundra is the only full-size pickup on the list. The Toyota Tundra features 70 percent North American parts content and 15 percent Japanese parts content. Additionally, the Tundra was designed, engineered, and built in the U.S. That includes its engines and transmissions."
My truck, the 2016 Nissan Titan XD is made in Mississippi and has a Cummins diesel. The folks in Mississippi probably feel that it is Made in America.
I have no problem with Ford at all.
