Not sure what you are doing with your boots (haven't read all the way through the thread) but I have a pair of Bogs that are going on year ten. I keep saying that I would like a new pair, but mine literally look new still. I use them in the woods, around the yard, and of course all winter up here in New England. I swear by them, never at them. Warmest boots I have ever owned. Matched with Smart Wool socks (name brand only) I can be outside in single digits and my body gives out before my feet get cold. Have tried the Smart Wool with my other boots, and the Bogs with other socks, and I get cold at varying times. Together, perfection. I also walk the dog in them, so I find them more comfortable than sneakers, though heavier. Cushy, good grip, 100% waterproof up to my knees. Stretchy shaft so I can put pants in or out. Best boot I could ever recommend.