2014+ Toyota Tundra 5.7.

[WilliamBos]

I'll tell you what's old technology, push rods.

Not really, look at the 6.2 gm, that pulls like a train.

Turbos on a tiny engine dont make it new tech or better.

 

[TSO]

Jeez guys LOL... Keep it civil.

Bottom line, you can probably get a good truck from each manufacturer nowadays. We should all thank Toyota for doing such a great job on the redesign of the tundra back in 2007. Bringing that kind of power and towing capability, with the enhancements to braking and Driveline and a 6-speed transmission, forced everyone to make better trucks.

I'd certainly agree that the Toyota 5.7 is a fantastic engine... Extremely strong and the power band is impressive. Don't forget too... Toyota offered a TRD supercharger setup for the tundra, with factory warranty, boosting it to 525hp/550tq. (I think it got nixed due to emissions). It was the fastest production truck ever built.

I wouldn't say that the EcoBoost is an engine I would never tow with, I have quite a few friends with them that Tow and they are happy with their trucks.

But i can attest to towing 11k with the Tundra, and it does great. Needs airbags in the rear tho... The springs are soft for heavy towing

 

[adkhunter1590]

Not sure what technology you think Ford has, I can assure you Toyota is not behind Ford, no 3.5 direct injection V6 turbo will replace a V8. My all AL 5.7 DOHC 4 V chain driven, direct injection, VVT, V8 is not old technology, it's one on the best V8's ever made by any manufacture, ever, maybe the best, you can make a case for MB's V8's.

Not sure what makes you think Toyota is on par with Ford. Sales clearly indicate who has the better truck. If it was inferior, why would they sell more? Not saying Toyota is junk, but it's not as good or better.

Sorry but your stuck in the past if you think V8s will outlive the new generation of direct injection turboed engines. It's where the future is going whether anyone wants to admit it or not. **** I'm seriously doubting we will be running petrol burning engines in 20 years at the rate we are going.

 

[adkhunter1590]

Old but proven technology. Toyota does not push things to the market until its 100% proven, unlike GM, Ford and Dodge.

I do not want an ecoboost, no interest in them, V8 only. Ecoboosts have not proven durable as of yet.

The capacity of the Tundra is all I need, if I need more I will buy a 2500HD gasser.

I loathe the way the domestics sell their trucks, 57,000 options and you need to get certain options to get certain things.

With Toyota it is much simpler, aside from seating they pretty well come with the same options.

Not attempting to make it a pissing match but just going by facts here. The 5.7 engine in the tundra started in 2007 correct? Ecoboost came out in 2011. So the Toyota has 4 years longer history which isn't a astronomical amount of time. Plus Ford sells more ecoboosts in one year than Toyota does in 4 years. I'd say if there were major durability issues, everyone would damned well know about it by now.

There's one months worth of sales. Ford out sells Toyota 7 to 1. And that's the month of April, usually a slow time of the year for any manufacturer.

2018 trucks will be rolling out in the matter of months. That makes the ecoboost 7 years old this year once 2018s are out. I'd say that durability has been proven, otherwise there would be a totally different designed engine coming out, because if you know anything about Ford and their trucks, they will change things completely if there was problems this far along. I think your fooling yourself to think the ecoboosts haven't proved reliable. Plenty of them out there going well beyond 150k and even 200k. I'm planning on running mine well over 200k before looking for another new one. Change the oil and take care of it and you will be fine.

Domestic brands option listing is pretty stupid I'll agree with you there. But Ford has tried to help in that department. They have condensed a lot of their packages if you actually look. Plus if your buying new and not ordering one the way you want it your nuts. 8 weeks or less and you get anything and everything you wanted.

 

[WilliamBos]

Not sure what makes you think Toyota is on par with Ford. Sales clearly indicate who has the better truck. If it was inferior, why would they sell more? Not saying Toyota is junk, but it's not as good or better.

Sorry but your stuck in the past if you think V8s will outlive the new generation of direct injection turboed engines. It's where the future is going whether anyone wants to admit it or not. **** I'm seriously doubting we will be running petrol burning engines in 20 years at the rate we are going.

If those turbo v6 gassers were so good, then why arent they in the hd trucks? Because they are a light duty engine that would not survive on an hd.

Gas engines are not going anywhere because there is nothing credible to replace them. And because they are incredibly efficient.

Ford may outsell Toyota, but Ford loses on resale and long term reliability, the ecoboost program is an example of unreliable. If they were so good, why is Ford the only one using them? They are far from good.

That is a fact.

 

[houstonscott]

Not sure what makes you think Toyota is on par with Ford. Sales clearly indicate who has the better truck. If it was inferior, why would they sell more? Not saying Toyota is junk, but it's not as good or better. Sorry but your stuck in the past if you think V8s will outlive the new generation of direct injection turboed engines. It's where the future is going whether anyone wants to admit it or not. **** I'm seriously doubting we will be running petrol burning engines in 20 years at the rate we are going.

Toyota sells more vehicles than Ford. Period. Small engines in F150's are not a result of some technology wave, it's about milage regulations. Fleet averages must meet a milage number. Very hard when your best seller is a truck, and the rest of of your fleets high milage sales are small. Small engines and aluminum bodies are the result. High pressure Turbo direct injection was developed by Bosch and VW for diesels, it's 20 years old now, and the patents have expired and it's being used in gas engines. Nothing cutting edge there... Ford has a real problem with regulations, their best selling vehicle is a truck, and that milage has to be balanced over a range of high milage vehicles of which Ford doesn't do well in that market place, compared to a manufacturer like Toyota who has a plethora of high selling high milage vehicles to average against. The F150 is going to get lighter, smaller, and have smaller engines or Ford will have to sell a lot more high milage cars.

 

[TSO]

Not sure what makes you think Toyota is on par with Ford. Sales clearly indicate who has the better truck. If it was inferior, why would they sell more? Not saying Toyota is junk, but it's not as good or better.

Sorry but your stuck in the past if you think V8s will outlive the new generation of direct injection turboed engines. It's where the future is going whether anyone wants to admit it or not. **** I'm seriously doubting we will be running petrol burning engines in 20 years at the rate we are going.

That sure is an ill-informed statement. Does that mean that the comparable Chevrolet is better than the comparable Cadillac simply because the Cadillac sells less units? Or that the comparable Ford Taurus is better than the comparable Lincoln because the Taurus sells more volume?

The fact is, there are many many reasons why people buy one vehicle over another. And especially in the case of Ford F150 versus Toyota Tundra, or any domestic label brand truck versus Toyota Tundra, brand loyalty and labeling stereotypes have a lot to do with it. Some people will buy a domestic labeled brand simply because they think it's more American than buying a tundra. Whatever, peoples reasons are their own, who am I to question them. Another factor is pricing, incentives, and Fleet offerings.

Also, there are many employees who buy vehicles based upon their employee incentives and discounts. Most of my family works for Ford, and they drive Ford because they get family pricing. They'd consider looking elsewhere if not for the discounts.

Point is... You can't claim that sales numbers are an indication of quality. There's nothing to back it up...

 

[houstonscott]

Killing a Toyota Part 1 - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube You gotta watch this if you've never seen it.

 

[adkhunter1590]

If those turbo v6 gassers were so good, then why arent they in the hd trucks? Because they are a light duty engine that would not survive on an hd.

Gas engines are not going anywhere because there is nothing credible to replace them. And because they are incredibly efficient.

Ford may outsell Toyota, but Ford loses on resale and long term reliability, the ecoboost program is an example of unreliable. If they were so good, why is Ford the only one using them? They are far from good.

That is a fact.

Wait another year and you may bite your tongue on that one. Been rumored for the last couple years the ecoboost will make its way into the super duty. The entire engine was designed around tough duty application and longevity. And what HD does Toyota make? O ya...none. So does that mean the 5.7 isn't tough because it's not used in a HD? If it's as tough as your saying, it would be reasonable to assume Toyota would manufacturer even a half ton that could match other brands tow ratings.

I don't doubt gas engines will be around for awhile still. But I think you'll see electric or something else become more of the norm as years go on. Tech is that sector is rapidly improving.

Resale and long term reliability you say? With the much lower amount of tundras on the road it's pretty obvious to see why resale might be higher in some cases. There's simply less of them to begin with. F150s are almost a dime a dozen. Millions of them to pick from. Inflated numbers obviously means lower prices.

Once again, with the ecoboost being the or one of highest sold engines, if long term reliability was such a problem and a "unrealiable" as you say, it would make headlines in the news.

Other manufacturers are clearly on their way to making similar engines to the ecoboost. Because Ford started the program earlier doesn't mean they aren't good, that's just uninformed nonsense

 

[adkhunter1590]

Toyota sells more vehicles than Ford. Period. Small engines in F150's are not a result of some technology wave, it's about milage regulations. Fleet averages must meet a milage number. Very hard when your best seller is a truck, and the rest of of your fleets high milage sales are small. Small engines and aluminum bodies are the result. High pressure Turbo direct injection was developed by Bosch and VW for diesels, it's 20 years old now, and the patents have expired and it's being used in gas engines. Nothing cutting edge there... Ford has a real problem with regulations, their best selling vehicle is a truck, and that milage has to be balanced over a range of high milage vehicles of which Ford doesn't do well in that market place, compared to a manufacturer like Toyota who has a plethora of high selling high milage vehicles to average against. The F150 is going to get lighter, smaller, and have smaller engines or Ford will have to sell a lot more high milage cars.

Annnnnddddddd when were you gonna get to part about how the 5.7 or tundra is a better truck than a ecoboost or f150.

Your comparing broad spectrum aspects that have little to nothing to do with the topic at hand. I would hope Toyota sells more "vehicles" than Ford seeing they are an overseas company that has major ties to almost every Asian country. It's a bit ridiculous to assume an American Company would outsell or even target foreign markets like that. Fords main focus is here and their tactics behind making sure they remain#1 here have nothing to do with the original topic. To assume a company wouldn't do what's necessary to remain at the top of the food chain with their highest margin product is dumb.

Everyone is kicking dirt at the ecoboost but no one can prove that it's such a faulty unreliable engine design.

And I never claimed the ecoboost to be a new age tech wonder. The way they are applying it is new. And the pure amount of "tech" features the f150 has surpasses the amount the tundra is available with.