2014+ Toyota Tundra 5.7.

[houstonscott]

So 5 chevys had motor failures and they are superior to Ford? Somehow I'm thinking your not the most logical thinking person on this earth. But I can play this silly game. 23 fords in my family alone, not one engine failure. Unless you count alternators.. Ford diesel(s) have been a disaster huh? Which ones were they? Since they made so many. O wait that's right...they've only made 1. The 6.7 which came out in 2011 along with the ecoboost. International had engine problems from 2003-2010. Ford had a engine partner problem. Big difference. The 6.7 has proven to be a solid motor with great performance. Once again I'll say it, if any of these lies had any merit, they wouldn't sell and they would have changed the motor already. Took Ford 4 years to get rid of the dreaded 6.0, but your gonna try and tell me they would keep the 6.7 going after 7 years? What world are you living in?

Ford settles class action over Navistar diesels

 

[Snobdds]

I have the privilege to own both a 5.7 and a 3.5 ecoboost.

The ecoboost is by far a more powerful engine. The usable torque and horsepower come on at a lower RPM with the ecoboost. The 5.7 has to rev high to make it's power.

The physics of the matter is simple. At 14psi = 1 bar of pressure in the turbo, the 3.5 ecoboost doubles it's displacement to a 7 liter engine. The 14 psi is achieved at 2500 rpm. So at 2500, the 3.5 ecoboost is producing the displacement of a big block V8. That is why it's the only engine now in the tow package F150.

However, the 5.7 is probably more reliable in the long run, 250,000+ miles.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Not sure what makes you think Toyota is on par with Ford. Sales clearly indicate who has the better truck. If it was inferior, why would they sell more? Not saying Toyota is junk, but it's not as good or better.

Sorry but your stuck in the past if you think V8s will outlive the new generation of direct injection turboed engines. It's where the future is going whether anyone wants to admit it or not. **** I'm seriously doubting we will be running petrol burning engines in 20 years at the rate we are going.

I agree 100%. Times are changing weather you like it or not.

 

[Diamondpilot]

If those turbo v6 gassers were so good, then why arent they in the hd trucks? Because they are a light duty engine that would not survive on an hd.

Gas engines are not going anywhere because there is nothing credible to replace them. And because they are incredibly efficient.

Ford may outsell Toyota, but Ford loses on resale and long term reliability, the ecoboost program is an example of unreliable. If they were so good, why is Ford the only one using them? They are far from good.

That is a fact.

For years Ford has been the truck leader. If you are arguing that you are so far behind you can't see the leader and think you are in the lead.

GM made so much fun of the man step, aluminum bodies, and the Eco Boost but I guarantee they will be playing catch up over the next 5 years. Just look back and history will prove it.

 

[adkhunter1590]

Ford settles class action over Navistar diesels

And your link proves what? Exactly what I said and nothing more. They had a engine partner problem. Unless your completely unaware. Navistar is international not Ford.

Hang on a moment while I go dig up some irrelevant information to prove how dumb I am!

 

[TSO]

Can we get back on topic ... For the OP's sake.

 

[houstonscott]

I agree 100%. Times are changing weather you like it or not.

You couldn't be anymore right. The EPA is being sidelined, caffè standards are going to get rolled back, the CO2 chicken littles are being exposed, and there's oil everywhere we look. Little V6's as full size truck engines is temporary.

 

[WilliamBos]

You couldn't be anymore right. The EPA is being sidelined, caffè standards are going to get rolled back, the CO2 chicken littles are being exposed, and there's oil everywhere we look. Little V6's as full size truck engines is temporary.

And Ford can shove their ecoturd where the sun don't shine. It was designed to appease the same tree hugging yuppies that need bluetooth, wifi, and the trailer back up assist because they have no clue how to do it without a computer.

I have zero intentions of buying an ecoboost, nor will i ever buy an f150. The idiotic trailer back up assist is a pathetic joke, another strike against ford.

 

[WilliamBos]

Can we get back on topic ... For the OP's sake.

Thank you. The ecoboost fan boys need to read the title, its not an ecoboost thread.

 

[WilliamBos]

Toyota sells more vehicles than Ford. Period. Small engines in F150's are not a result of some technology wave, it's about milage regulations. Fleet averages must meet a milage number. Very hard when your best seller is a truck, and the rest of of your fleets high milage sales are small. Small engines and aluminum bodies are the result. High pressure Turbo direct injection was developed by Bosch and VW for diesels, it's 20 years old now, and the patents have expired and it's being used in gas engines. Nothing cutting edge there... Ford has a real problem with regulations, their best selling vehicle is a truck, and that milage has to be balanced over a range of high milage vehicles of which Ford doesn't do well in that market place, compared to a manufacturer like Toyota who has a plethora of high selling high milage vehicles to average against. The F150 is going to get lighter, smaller, and have smaller engines or Ford will have to sell a lot more high milage cars.

Totally agree. Toyota has a huge advantage over everyone because if their entire fuel efficient line up. They may not sell the most trucks, but it is solid reliable well packaged machine.