Car dealership is a crook.

   / Car dealership is a crook. #181  
I may bust on the woman's due dillegence thoughout this whole ordeal of hers, but I honestly don't think it's just because she's a woman and the subject is cars.
Actually you made alot of stuff up. Some might call that lying. I thought you to knew each other, but then I saw your locations. But you talked like you knew everything about the gal.


Do we really know that she didn't bring a friend with her to look at it or do the deal? I wouldn't be surprised her boyfriend went.




I think part of the problem, maybe how the shop treats a woman bringing a car in.


Aaron Z
I think you are right, but they look for all kinds of marks. First oil change in new town, out of state plates. They went over long list of services. Next time local plates, never brought it up. Maybe they kept track of the VIN and knew not to be pushy.

That being said one of the places I went, tried to sell me every flush possible and brings up every due service. It is how they make their money. Not bad to do either.
 
   / Car dealership is a crook. #182  
Actually you made alot of stuff up. Some might call that lying. I thought you to knew each other, but then I saw your locations. But you talked like you knew everything about the gal.

I'm not certain of exactly what your handicap is (seems you had the same handicap in the other thread you participated in). Everything I posted is nothing more than what LD1 stated.

Long story short, when one is living paycheck to paycheck, one should not buy a 20k USED vehicle to begin with. I completely understand that comment may not have anything to do with the issue directly at hand, but it does have something to do with the wrong mentality our country is facing today. You have X amount of dollars, spend them wisely, unless you can afford to lose it.
 
   / Car dealership is a crook. #183  
My line of thinking is if someone is going to lie, they're liars, and the people's sex they're talking to isn't going to really matter (liar is a liar they tend not to discriminate). I do however understand that people may underestimate a woman's technical ability, but that can be a very dangerous mistake if you're running a business IMO.

That said, perhaps that's why "used car salesmen" have such a bad rap, because people expect them to lie to make a sale.

Although I don't normally deal with end users in my line of work, when I do get involved with end users, if dealing with a woman, I treat them with just as much respect, if not even more, because they are a woman. I've found that's actually good for business, as if your household is anything like mine, if you tick my wife off, you're done for no matter what I say as "head of the household" LOL

I really don't think service people lie to just women. I think they will lie to a man that seems to know nothing, or very little about the product be it be HVAC , Plumbing , vehicles, tires ,etc, as they would a woman.
 
   / Car dealership is a crook.
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#184  
Buying a lower mile one owner vehicle and paying premium price I have nothing wrong with. Vehicles have just gotten outrageously expensive for anything above base model. And it's nothing to get 200k + out of a modern vehicle. So putting 10k a year on a vehicle and financing it or 6-7 years to manage the payments, on a 80k mile that should last 12 more years with just routine maintenance...I have nothing wrong with. And don't think "that's what's wrong the mentality of this country".

Sure, when could have spent alot less to buy the same make/model that already had 180-200k miles on the clock....But what is really more expensive in the long run. And what is more likely to leave you stranded on the side of the road?

Buy a cheap high milage vehicle and get a few years out of it, or buy a more expensive lower milage vehicle, stretch the payments out longer, and get a lot longer service life.

Alot of folks go through most of their life making a car payment. Once it's paid off it's time to trade it in. Getting 2 years out of a $5k vehicle, or 4 years out of a $10 vehicle, or 8years out of a $20k vehicle....What's the difference in the end?
 
   / Car dealership is a crook. #185  
I'm not certain of exactly what your handicap is (seems you had the same handicap in the other thread you participated in). Everything I posted is nothing more than what LD1 stated.

Long story short, when one is living paycheck to paycheck, one should not buy a 20k USED vehicle to begin with. I completely understand that comment may not have anything to do with the issue directly at hand, but it does have something to do with the wrong mentality our country is facing today. You have X amount of dollars, spend them wisely, unless you can afford to lose it.

I missed that post. Why don't you show me, and I can eat my words, and tell everyone I was wrong. But I didn't see anything about a stay at home mother living pay check to pay check.

Maybe I missed it.
 
   / Car dealership is a crook. #186  
Buy a cheap high milage vehicle and get a few years out of it, or buy a more expensive lower milage vehicle, stretch the payments out longer, and get a lot longer service life.

Alot of folks go through most of their life making a car payment. Once it's paid off it's time to trade it in. ?
I agree there is a debate, on how old to buy, reliability, and how often to buy. The answer? Dunno.

Myself I think it is how people stay poor, going through life with a car payment, and taking out awfully long loans. Sad the length of the loans people are taking these days.
 
   / Car dealership is a crook. #187  
There are a lot of things some people do that others would not. That doesn't make what they chose to do right or wrong. If a woman buys a used car with what today is considered 'low' mileage, by some people, that doesn't make it the center of what is wrong with this country by any means. People make choices. Sometimes they strap themselves with unnecessary debt, and a payment cycle for their entire life.

It's a choice, NOT a crime. Maybe a wiser choice could be made, maybe there weren't enough options in front of the person at the time, or their choice was made in haste, or maybe at gunpoint; who knows what the motivating factors were?!

And its not always black or white in terms of choices made. There are grey areas too. It's NOT all about right choice/wrong choice.
Sometimes its about the best choice/decision, OR what seemed like the best choice at the time the decision was made.

And on the subject of poor little paycheck to paycheck girl/woman thing, and guys at dealerships taking advantage of women/ girls females, etc. Are you guys for real?!

Women may not collectively, as a gender, have the amount of interest in cars that guys do; BUT guys are going to take advantage of whatever they can, whenever they can, when trying to sell someone of any gender anything they are trying to sell. Will people lie to make a sale? Sure, most salesmanship is just that; trying to ram the ship so far up someones azz that they can't get it out without help from a friend.
Am I being crass to prove a point? YES. But the point I'm trying to make is their is complicity in any sale. An agreement that you won't screw me too bad for what I want for what I'm willing to pay.
Poorer people tend to get more screwed on car deals than richer folks because often they don't have any leverage/credit to negotiate a better deal with. It is the same reason a used car loan is always a higher cost than a similar new car loan. RISK! Its a greater chance of loss of value/default on loan with someone who is less well off, than it is with someone who has a proven track record/credit rating...that is, PAYS their bills on time, then someone who is 3 feet from bankruptcy on any given day.

Look up George Carlin's view on salesmen, schoolteachers, priests, bankers. etc. It is one of the funniest and most true diatribes on liars lying through there azzes everyday, all day' till the world catches fire.

I don't care what brand of car one buys or who they buy it from, or where. The same things happen everyday. people buy stuff because they want or need it, or think they need it. Some pay one price and others pay a different price. Some make out like bandits, others get screwed, from their perspective. It's called LIFE. Get used to it. It ain't fair, but it's always a challenge, or as some say: its a ***** then you die.
My point? Its too short to get hung up on minute details. She bought- seal or whatever failed. Pay to get it fixed or fight about it 'till the' jobs come back', but in the end the ONLY thing any of us have is limited time to live. And NO, time is NOT money, money may be what we spend time seeking, but in the end we all die, and with no money to take with us - we just have run out of time. So figure out what amount of anyone's time is worth spending on a perceived slight by a dealer just working to make as much money as possible in the time they have, then move on to the next thing in one's life that has some semblance of significance.
 
   / Car dealership is a crook. #188  
There are alternatives...

Buying Services like Costco, Credit Union, Auto Club, Broker provide a firm out the door price before ever stepping foot onto a lot... and some like the Credit Union will do this on Certified Used.

The lady across the street bought a new Camry... she never left her house... the car was delivered and 15 minutes later it was done in terms of face time... it was all done through her Credit Union

I've helped many buy new cars... I personally have only bought one... every other car I bought and there have been hundreds is used... currently I have 50 vehicles but I collect cars.

The new car I bought was done by fax... it was a factory order and my $1000 deposit was via credit card... I shopped 5 dealers, faxed them what I wanted with manufacturer codes for each option... prices varied by thousands.

If a warranty is important then eliminate vehicles without warranty or not having sufficient or manufacturer's warranty.

When I was a kid hanging around the Used Car side of the lot... at least half the shoppers were sent in by their mechanic and/or would pick up the car to have their mechanic or Auto Club do a diagnostic... people then considered it part of the buying process.

A smaller group would have all the fluids changed along with belts and hoses... seemed excessive but the buyers, mostly men said they did not want their wife, mother or daughter to have problems... even put in some new batteries just because winter was coming... and the battery in the vehicle tested fine.

Not making any excuses... bad things happen to good people and I think there are more shady people these days... especially when so much is transitory... the employee or business could very well be here today and gone tomorrow...

My elderly 96 old friend at the time had a new furnace and paid for the warranty and 5 year service plan including the expensive filter changes... the company had gone out of business when it was time for the first service... my friend lived in her home to age 101 so she would have been able to use the full service plan... she was pretty savvy and beat herself over this.
 
   / Car dealership is a crook. #189  
Another case of (how good is your dealer ) . Like I mentioned early on , they are not looking at repeat business .
 
   / Car dealership is a crook. #190  
There are a lot of things some people do that others would not. That doesn't make what they chose to do right or wrong. If a woman buys a used car with what today is considered 'low' mileage, by some people, that doesn't make it the center of what is wrong with this country by any means. People make choices. Sometimes they strap themselves with unnecessary debt, and a payment cycle for their entire life.

It's a choice, NOT a crime. Maybe a wiser choice could be made, maybe there weren't enough options in front of the person at the time, or their choice was made in haste, or maybe at gunpoint; who knows what the motivating factors were?!

And its not always black or white in terms of choices made. There are grey areas too. It's NOT all about right choice/wrong choice.
Sometimes its about the best choice/decision, OR what seemed like the best choice at the time the decision was made.

And on the subject of poor little paycheck to paycheck girl/woman thing, and guys at dealerships taking advantage of women/ girls females, etc. Are you guys for real?!

Women may not collectively, as a gender, have the amount of interest in cars that guys do; BUT guys are going to take advantage of whatever they can, whenever they can, when trying to sell someone of any gender anything they are trying to sell. Will people lie to make a sale? Sure, most salesmanship is just that; trying to ram the ship so far up someones azz that they can't get it out without help from a friend.
Am I being crass to prove a point? YES. But the point I'm trying to make is their is complicity in any sale. An agreement that you won't screw me too bad for what I want for what I'm willing to pay.
Poorer people tend to get more screwed on car deals than richer folks because often they don't have any leverage/credit to negotiate a better deal with. It is the same reason a used car loan is always a higher cost than a similar new car loan. RISK! Its a greater chance of loss of value/default on loan with someone who is less well off, than it is with someone who has a proven track record/credit rating...that is, PAYS their bills on time, then someone who is 3 feet from bankruptcy on any given day.

Look up George Carlin's view on salesmen, schoolteachers, priests, bankers. etc. It is one of the funniest and most true diatribes on liars lying through there azzes everyday, all day' till the world catches fire.

I don't care what brand of car one buys or who they buy it from, or where. The same things happen everyday. people buy stuff because they want or need it, or think they need it. Some pay one price and others pay a different price. Some make out like bandits, others get screwed, from their perspective. It's called LIFE. Get used to it. It ain't fair, but it's always a challenge, or as some say: its a ***** then you die.
My point? Its too short to get hung up on minute details. She bought- seal or whatever failed. Pay to get it fixed or fight about it 'till the' jobs come back', but in the end the ONLY thing any of us have is limited time to live. And NO, time is NOT money, money may be what we spend time seeking, but in the end we all die, and with no money to take with us - we just have run out of time. So figure out what amount of anyone's time is worth spending on a perceived slight by a dealer just working to make as much money as possible in the time they have, then move on to the next thing in one's life that has some semblance of significance.
Ah yes......
That is what is so nice about being retired.
I DO have TIME.....until I croak that is.
....but.... my time has absolutely no monetary value.
I can use my time however I choose, and if I use it to fight what I perceive to be an injustice, then that is exactly what I will do.
I have a Toyota Corolla that I have been waiting on an air bag fix for 10 months.
Can't carry anyone in the passenger seat.
THAT is worth my time!
 

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