Car dealership is a crook.

[wawoodwa]

And NO, time is NOT money, money may be what we spend time seeking, but in the end we all die, and with no money to take with us - we just have run out of time. So figure out what amount of anyone's time is worth spending on a perceived slight by a dealer just working to make as much money as possible in the time they have, then move on to the next thing in one's life that has some semblance of significance.

Ok, to explain, time is money is an idiom to illustrate that time is finite and will end (as you stated), and therefore has a very high intrinsic value. In the US, we typically use money as a store of value. Hence the phrase.

It is similar to your Buyer Beware advice, which is good in many cases, but not this one. There are many laws around this Buyer-seller agreement that aren't just buyer beware.

A perceived slight...just to review, Chrysler dealership sells a certified Chrysler vehicle, provides 30 day warranty. Customer notifies seller within 30 day window, is put off. Purchased item fails. Seller then sees customer and says, you are not within the warranty period. It isn't perceived, and it isn't a slight.

All I am saying is she has many more rights if she wishes to use them. It is her choice and hers alone.

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[ultrarunner]

Yep... several bag recalls...

Seems the only ones getting the bags are making a big stink over it... like the kids carpool Mom or the volunteer church driver taking elderly to Doctor's appointments... made for great press on the evening news.

As with most things it is often how far or committed a person is... many simply bow out which is a strategy known to the other side.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ok, to explain, time is money is an idiom to illustrate that time is finite and will end (as you stated), and therefore has a very high intrinsic value. In the US, we typically use money as a store of value. Hence the phrase.

It is similar to your Buyer Beware advice, which is good in many cases, but not this one. There are many laws around this Buyer-seller agreement that aren't just buyer beware.

A perceived slight...just to review, Chrysler dealership sells a certified Chrysler vehicle, provides 30 day warranty. Customer notifies seller within 30 day window, is put off. Purchased item fails. Seller then sees customer and says, you are not within the warranty period. It isn't perceived, and it isn't a slight.

All I am saying is she has many more rights if she wishes to use them. It is her choice and hers alone.

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If as stated and it came before me as an arbitrator I would decide in the buyer's favor... the buyer would have the burden to prove the problem was reported within the time frame... also, any days out of service for a covered automatically extend the warranty period.

 

[Zerk]

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Poorer people tend to get more screwed on car deals than richer folks because often they don't have any leverage/credit to negotiate a better deal with.

Poor people will get worse credit, but price is what it is. Some poor people do what poor people do.




I also think LD made a goo d point, we don't know what the exact price was. She threw out 20k. Was it cause she was mad, I just spent 20k? Tax and title? Round up?

Either way the question was what the questions was, whether a 2018 caddy or 1980 Tempo.

 

[Coyote machine]

Here's what was stated by LD in his opening post regarding 'certified':

"...after buying a 83k mile vehicle from a "certified" dodge dealer?"

NOTHING that I read about the car bought being a certified car contract, but his wording does not rule out that possibly being the case.
And as Ultrarunner stated, IF he were arbitrating the case, the buyer would have to PROVE she was in contact with the dealer to resolve the issue(s).

To wawoodwa, I don't need you trying to explain how time is money is thought to be true, even though it is a false premise. Time is time, and nothing more. That is where people, seemingly you, also conclude erroneously about the idiom.
What's 'un-subbed?' Is this your way of saying you're unsubscribing to this thread? After throwing out your last stand post?

Buyer beware applies no matter how many times you insist it does not. Did you ever work at a dealership? Did you ever own and run a foreign auto repair facility? I did both for many years, so I know wherein I speak when it comes to cars and warranties.

The buyer FAILED to get the car in front of the selling dealer, for whatever reason. She BROKE her end of the contract.
I'm not saying the selling dealer treated her fairly, but I am saying what is actually the case, unless there are facts NOT currently in evidence in this thread. Facts and reality prevail, everything else is irrelevant.

 

[dodge man]

Yeah, I never saw anything about it being certified used. I bought a Chevy truck about a year ago that was certified used and it came with a pretty good bumper to bumper warranty. Not quite as good of warranty as a new vehicle but close. Like I said in a previous post, they sold it used and Chrysler has nothing to do with it.

 

[kenmac]

Poor people will get worse credit, but price is what it is.
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Not entirely true. To have good credit (FICO score), you have to stay in debt.
When you have no debt, your credit (FICO) score drops.
when your credit score drops, you get bad credit (FICO score) resulting in a higher interest rate.

You could be very rich , have no debt, and have a low FICO score.

 

[hawkeye08]

I know several mechanics that punch no time cards. They work off of a book that tells how much time it takes to replace a part. If they change the part in under book time they still get paid for the full time listed in the book. They then go get the next repair job, and it starts all over again

yes, it was common when I worked as mechanic to charge customer book time. They knew what it was going to cost before the job and if it took more or less, didn't matter, the customer paid the book time.

 

[Sigarms]

If as stated and it came before me as an arbitrator I would decide in the buyer's favor... the buyer would have the burden to prove the problem was reported within the time frame... also, any days out of service for a covered automatically extend the warranty period.

Acting as an arbitrator, what would you consider reasonable documentation that a buyer was in contact with the seller that a problem was reported within the time frame of a warranty period? I'm asking because I'm assuming e-mail documentation would be the easiest source (particularly if one party could not provide any response to speciffic questions or concearns being raised by the other party), but was wondering if phone records would be considered even if there was no recording of the actual conversation.

 

[houstonscott]

Thought I would share this and see what some of you all think. This is not my ordeal, rather it is my cousins. They purchased a used 08 Jeep Grand Cherokee just back in december. So only 3 months. Had 83,xxx miles on it. Vehicle now has 90,xxx miles and is making a terrible noise any time you "get on it" a little more than what would be considered normal driving. So I told her to bring it over and I'd have a look. Conclusion....transfer case is bone dry, transfer chain jumping teeth. NOT GOOD. I have never bought a new chrystler product, but do know that dodge has been offering 10year/100k warrantys for quite some time. But the dealer claims that is non-transferable.....Odd, but ok. They also didnt buy an extended warranty. Only the standard 30 day 3k mile warranty. Now normally I would think ok, as crappy as that is, you are screwed because they technically have no obligation to fix anything. But then I look at the paperwork from when they bought the vehicle....and there was a detailed list of everything they "fixed-up" when they took it in on trade and their umpteen point inspection. Listed right on the paperwork (that also documents the milage at 83,xxx) is that they replaced the rear x-fer case seal. So in summary, Dealer just changed the seal 3 months and 7k miles ago, and here we are today with a bone dry case that is toast, and a dealer that says its not their problem. Dealer claims its her fault for not checking it or noticing a leak. Well, the thing only only holds a little over two quarts, and likely only leaks when driving....who notices that? And who checks x-fer case fluid 3 months / 7k miles after buying a 83k mile vehicle from a "certified" dodge dealer??? This aint some mom-and-pop used car lot. This is an actual dodge-chrysler dealer that has a few locations in the area. So while none of this directly effects me in any way (allthough I will likely be replacing the x-fer case with a used one here in the near future) curious what some of your thoughts are.

Many dealers warranty their work for a year, check on that...