Kubota RTV Heavy Modifications...Yes, you CAN safely lift!

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I'd like to offer a bit of potentially useful information for those who have the aptitude/resource/desire; First-off, I customize off-road vehicles, and specialize in Kubotas and XUV Gators, and no...not advertising here but, I'm seeing some not so accurate information. That said, you can easily lift your 900, 1100 RTVs without strain that equates to shortened equipment life but, you have to do it correctly, which isn't all that hard. I would suggest this as a starting point though; the front differential on the last generation RTV's is an "Open" type, meaning it's nearly useless when you hit slop/ice/or any situation where one front wheel loses traction, as THATS the wheel more your power will go to...kinda counter-intuitive, from a design and engineering standpoint. Add that fact to a machine weighing over a couple thousand pounds and it becomes obvious Kubota had only their self-interest in mind when they put that differential in the RTV line...frankly, they were thinking warranty and axle-claims. Not to worry...you can fix that PAST blunder, as Kubota themselves got tired of being picked-on by the rest of the industry for that shortcoming in off-road capability, as the x series now has limited-slip. Still not locking, but certainly much better than an open. Truth is, heavy as these machines are, compared to the size axles you can realistically fit through frame/control arms, you're better off with limited slip, as you'd otherwise be buying axles on a regular when you forgot to UNLOCK that front-end in high-traction surfaces. All that said, ALL Kubota RTV's use the same 8/35 pinion/ring gearing. That means from your little gas-burning 400, all the way up to the RTV X1100C pimp-mobile, the gearing is the same. So, you can buy yourself a X-Series limited-slip front diff, and it pairs perfectly to even your 500 gas-burner's transmission, for the biggest and sweetest upgrade you can do these these "Open" differential models, both past and new. The best tires in the world are of little use if they dont receive power when you need it. All the lift in the world is useless if all you do is sit above the muck looking down at it, because you cant move forward. On the RTV 900/1100, the diff hung from the frame, whereas the X series it stands in the frame (think, stalactite/stalagmite) and so mild modification to the bash/skid plate, and you can bolt the X-series diff right in...notch the skid in the rear, and drill bolt-holes and you're there. Some shimming to get the CV clearance exactly centered. Inboard CV shaft is splined differently from the the last generation RTVs, whereas the outboard joint is splined the same...a bitter-sweet obstacle to overcome. On one hand, you will either have to order a set of custom shafts with stock-RTV 900/1100 length, splined for the x on the inner joint, or, you can simply build your own axles using a set of both...used is fine. Thats the bitter. The sweet is that you end-up with a better/heavier axle, as the old inner joints have nearly zero plunge in that tripod, and are smaller/weaker, whereas the newer axle does-not bolt to the diff, which created more room for plunge in the cup..becomes important if you go the next step and do a longer-travel suspension, or even a decent lift. Anyway, sounds complicated but, it's not, really. You can buy a new X series, or you can modify the one you have for a fraction of the cost, and in the end is actually BETTER than the X...I can say this, as I own both. My X is highly modified as well, but it's a turd in comparison, as far as durability. If I had to give one up, that X would be out of here. It has 14 inches of minimum clearance now, and is a general beast but, the older 1100 walks on it in every way. I pulled my prowler fifth-wheel around with the 1100...no problem. Did it with my X and bent the frame - if every picture tells a story, well, look at that one. Even my XUV Gator pulled that fifth-wheel, no problem. Anyway, for those interested in plans/ideas, I can guide you. By the way, getting those custom axles made is a bunch cheaper than most folks think...not much more than a premium set of stockers. I build my own for myself and customers. As far as those shackle-lift kits for the rear...bad idea unless you also drop the front of that leaf down as well...all you do is angle your receiver down, so while the engine cradle DOES come up, the receiver points down. Use greaseable U-joints, and lift BOTH ends of those leaf-springs, and you've done yourself some justice, and no...it IS NOT too much stress for the U-joint/slipper style axles...just keep em greased with A MOLY FORTIFIED grease, and the slipper sealed and lubed, and you can expect normal life from them. Over about 2.5 inches though and you're gonna get annoying vibrations and likely premature wear. Same with the front of the 900 and 1100s front-ends...don't just do the 2" strut-spacer...yeah, you can, but it will throw-off the geometry of the frontend and cause handing/wear issues. If you also lower the frame-ears for the control arm by the same two inches and now you're talking. At stock ride-height the front axles are nearly level, so a 2" lift of ANY manner is not a danger to those CVs. I've safely taken stock axles to 35 degree angles and never an issue...especially with those tripod inners on the X-series axles.
 
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This thread has given me a good laugh at least.. I actually took time to read the draft the OP posted. Appreciated your willingness to share your knowledge, but it is so disorganized and jumbled that unless someone already has your knowledge, they would not be able to follow it. Carry on.
 
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I guess the point in the above is that, I have not needed a date in a bunch of years...married a Colts cheerleader. So, strictly a "how-to" post. And basically a depiction of what we do with, and how we use, Kubota RTVs. I take them to The Hatfield & McCoy Trails Spring and Fall, every year. I know more about these machines and what they CAN and CAN'T do, than most Kubota trained mechanics. Everyone has a fragile RZR...really sucks when the mountains have those pop-up storms and blizzards and you happen to be in one. And the fun that comes from the expressions on the faces of those on turbo RZR 1000's as you roost past them on a Gator XUV...priceless
 
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Personally, I appreciate the effort carbonitehunter went through to explain the mods that he has successfully made to Kubota RTVs. I did read his descriptions, and no - I did not understand fully what he was describing. I don't have a Kubota RTV nor do I wish to modify one owned by anyone else.

Although it may be irritating for one to take the time to read the descriptions carbonitehunter presented, that is a self-imposed pain if you have no interest. It's easy enough to simply go past the thread if you have no interest in the topic. Perhaps surprising to some, a topic that is of no interest to me, may contain very valuable information to others.

Ease up guys - this is a free forum which means it is free to discuss whatever topic, within boundaries, of the topics one wishes to discuss. And personal attacks are NOT within those boundaries.
 
   / Kubota RTV Heavy Modifications...Yes, you CAN safely lift! #7  
Re-formatted into paragraphs
I'd like to offer a bit of potentially useful information for those who have the aptitude/resource/desire;

First-off, I customize off-road vehicles, and specialize in Kubotas and XUV Gators, and no...not advertising here but, I'm seeing some not so accurate information. That said, you can easily lift your 900, 1100 RTVs without strain that equates to shortened equipment life but, you have to do it correctly, which isn't all that hard.

I would suggest this as a starting point though; the front differential on the last generation RTV's is an "Open" type, meaning it's nearly useless when you hit slop/ice/or any situation where one front wheel loses traction, as THATS the wheel more your power will go to...kinda counter-intuitive, from a design and engineering standpoint.

Add that fact to a machine weighing over a couple thousand pounds and it becomes obvious Kubota had only their self-interest in mind when they put that differential in the RTV line...frankly, they were thinking warranty and axle-claims.

Not to worry...you can fix that PAST blunder, as Kubota themselves got tired of being picked-on by the rest of the industry for that shortcoming in off-road capability, as the x series now has limited-slip. Still not locking, but certainly much better than an open. Truth is, heavy as these machines are, compared to the size axles you can realistically fit through frame/control arms, you're better off with limited slip, as you'd otherwise be buying axles on a regular when you forgot to UNLOCK that front-end in high-traction surfaces.

All that said, ALL Kubota RTV's use the same 8/35 pinion/ring gearing. That means from your little gas-burning 400, all the way up to the RTV X1100C pimp-mobile, the gearing is the same.

So, you can buy yourself a X-Series limited-slip front diff, and it pairs perfectly to even your 500 gas-burner's transmission, for the biggest and sweetest upgrade you can do these these "Open" differential models, both past and new. The best tires in the world are of little use if they dont receive power when you need it.

All the lift in the world is useless if all you do is sit above the muck looking down at it, because you cant move forward. On the RTV 900/1100, the diff hung from the frame, whereas the X series it stands in the frame (think, stalactite/stalagmite) and so mild modification to the bash/skid plate, and you can bolt the X-series diff right in...notch the skid in the rear, and drill bolt-holes and you're there. Some shimming to get the CV clearance exactly centered. Inboard CV shaft is splined differently from the the last generation RTVs, whereas the outboard joint is splined the same...a bitter-sweet obstacle to overcome.

On one hand, you will either have to order a set of custom shafts with stock-RTV 900/1100 length, splined for the x on the inner joint, or, you can simply build your own axles using a set of both...used is fine. Thats the bitter. The sweet is that you end-up with a better/heavier axle, as the old inner joints have nearly zero plunge in that tripod, and are smaller/weaker, whereas the newer axle does-not bolt to the diff, which created more room for plunge in the cup..becomes important if you go the next step and do a longer-travel suspension, or even a decent lift. Anyway, sounds complicated but, it's not, really.

You can buy a new X series, or you can modify the one you have for a fraction of the cost, and in the end is actually BETTER than the X...I can say this, as I own both. My X is highly modified as well, but it's a turd in comparison, as far as durability. If I had to give one up, that X would be out of here. It has 14 inches of minimum clearance now, and is a general beast but, the older 1100 walks on it in every way.

I pulled my prowler fifth-wheel around with the 1100...no problem. Did it with my X and bent the frame - if every picture tells a story, well, look at that one. Even my XUV Gator pulled that fifth-wheel, no problem.

Anyway, for those interested in plans/ideas, I can guide you. By the way, getting those custom axles made is a bunch cheaper than most folks think...not much more than a premium set of stockers. I build my own for myself and customers.

As far as those shackle-lift kits for the rear...bad idea unless you also drop the front of that leaf down as well...all you do is angle your receiver down, so while the engine cradle DOES come up, the receiver points down. Use greaseable U-joints, and lift BOTH ends of those leaf-springs, and you've done yourself some justice, and no...it IS NOT too much stress for the U-joint/slipper style axles...just keep em greased with A MOLY FORTIFIED grease, and the slipper sealed and lubed, and you can expect normal life from them.

Over about 2.5 inches though and you're gonna get annoying vibrations and likely premature wear.
Same with the front of the 900 and 1100s front-ends...don't just do the 2" strut-spacer...yeah, you can, but it will throw-off the geometry of the frontend and cause handing/wear issues.

If you also lower the frame-ears for the control arm by the same two inches and now you're talking. At stock ride-height the front axles are nearly level, so a 2" lift of ANY manner is not a danger to those CVs. I've safely taken stock axles to 35 degree angles and never an issue...especially with those tripod inners on the X-series axles.
Thanks for the useful information, I might have to look into that for our RTV500. We don't plan on lifting it, but a little more traction might be useful.
Out of curiosity, are the CV joints the same to where you could order inner CVs for an X and mate them to outers for an older RTV?

Aaron Z
 
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Thanks for taking the time to show the improvements that can be made to the Rtv's. I love mine and use it almost every day, but the truth is, I would love a little more traction at times.

Can't believe you pounded that whole thing out on a blackberry, that would have put me in a frustration coma. Just a friendly tip for next time, breaking a long post into a few paragraphs makes it easier to read.

Learned a couple of things, that's the reason I come here every day.
 
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Thanks to the OP for taking the time to share the experience and knowledge.
 
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Re-formatted into paragraphs

Thanks for the useful information, I might have to look into that for our RTV500. We don't plan on lifting it, but a little more traction might be useful.
Out of curiosity, are the CV joints the same to where you could order inner CVs for an X and mate them to outers for an older RTV?

Aaron Z


Unfortunately, they are not. While both ARE the tripod style CV...View attachment 507237
the X model uses a considerably larger version of it, while the outer IS the same, save for a 1 inch increase in casting where it enters the hub/drum/knuckle. So, essentially you can gut the outboard on either and the interchange the goodies, inboard they are unique for their particular differential.. But note, the outboard splined end WILL NOT work on the 900, or 1100 shaft unless you compensate for that in your overall cut length, or your shaft will become an inch too long, and even a quarter inch means a bunch when the suspension travels. The safest bet?...measure your stock axle's compressed length and your new finished axle needs to be exactly that. For an RTV 900 OR 1100, that length, off the top of my head, should be exactly 23"
 
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And yep...my palms were cramped at the end of the original post but, I have a couple daughters that make me do it all day, so kinda used to the cramps. I have fat hands and bad eyes, so it's especially hard on me. So was the second grade, but I got over THAT, too! While I am originally from Kentucky, which finds me predisposed to hardship and adverse crap, we also find ourselves evolving via adaptation! May not always be graceful looking, but by God we sure get it done! I always tell everyone, "I may not be the fastest car on the interstate, and occasionally life's hills will find me with the 4-ways going, but Lord I sure am dependable".
 
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The old 900 up there was where it all started; Was my second one and it kept overheating. Added a turbo to it, and that did little but make it worse. When I embraced the fact that there just wasn't enough room in the front-end cheat a rad up there, I plumbed copper up the cage, welded-in a couple pieces of angle, drilled for the isolaters and then what?...in the Winter, every time we went riding, everyone kept placing their hands on my pipes...NOT COOL! Teehee! Nah, seriously, they were always on quads, and after a couple hours, they had frozen fingers.

And so (Did you see what I just did?...uh-huh) didn't take long before we found another benefit...I bypassed the fan with a switch and reversed the polarity with an isolater (So it wouldn't crash with the vehicle's electrical system) and you could then flip the switch, the fan ran in reverse, blowing nice toasty air all up on the back of your frosty pumpkins. I told everyone my RTV900 had a Kentucky heater in it! The wife started wanting to ride in the WINTER! That was both good AND bad, right. Well, you know. Whatever.

Hmm..on a roll here. Anyway, about a year into that one I bought an 1100's motor, transmission and cradle...modified the crossmember and moved it forward in the frame, and THAT machine spent most of it's life an 1100, before Kubota ever had the idea. The truth is, the only time I really noticed any difference was on steep inclines, and then only marginally. But, for all my time and effort, I could say I had an 1100 "Sport". That was a joke.
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Featured here is the wife, grasping my pipe. That happens sometimes when you're married, but not often. Anyone notice the exhaust on this 900?
 
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Also, in this photo, View attachment 507254 you will notice my X-series has the the tip-out windshield; Obviously did not come with this feature of the older 1100. However, all the hardware mounting points are there. Have not checked the 17 model but likely if you look at the top of your windshield from outside, you will notice two conspicuous looking metal straps at the top holding it in...those are actually a hinge. Also on the pillars on the inside of the cab you may notice two odd looking brackets with nothing attached to them, about a quarter way up the windshield...those are for the struts for the tip-out windshield. Down on the dash by the defrost vents and glass, you should notice two small rectangular brackets that appear to be there for no good reason...those are for the windshield latches. Early x models had the drilled windshield for the struts, with simple gasketed block-off plates to seal them. Later ones they did away with the pre-drilled windshield. Where this going is that, you can buy the hardware a convert yours to the tip-out windshield.

Why Kubota did away with that premium feature is anyone's guess..I have a couple theories reserved. It's awful nice in-between weather to open that shield and side-windows and let the fresh air in. I'm fortunate enough to have a couple of those kits laying in the barn. Takes about 30 minutes to convert to the tip-out, if you have the goods. Even my dealer when they saw my X with the shield open was like, WTF?...they were still green enough to the X1100C to not know all the brackets and hinges were still there...only the minor hardware was gone.
 
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I have the same bike.

Which one..the 2012 Screaming Eagle Softail Convertible, the Heritage, or the 2013 RoadKing Screaming Eagle? I still have the RK and Heritage. Gave the Convertible to my oldest son. He crashed it in Sturgis doing a burnout..nearly took-out an entire line of bikes heading for SpearFish. Now he walks. 32 grand trashed in an instant.
 
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Which one..the 2012 Screaming Eagle Softail Convertible, the Heritage, or the 2013 RoadKing Screaming Eagle? I still have the RK and Heritage. Gave the Convertible to my oldest son. He crashed it in Sturgis doing a burnout..nearly took-out an entire line of bikes heading for SpearFish. Now he walks. 32 grand trashed in an instant.

The 13 CVO RK ... I have the same one, same color combo, I put a fairing on mine.
 
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Sweet! I love that bike. It's all I ride to sturgis now. I bought the hitch and had the trailer painted to match...they screwed it up, but close enough. Harley wanted retarded money for the sunset whatever they call it, so I had a local shop try their hand painting the trailer. They got it close enough to make folks cringe, but whatever.
Only problem I ever had was out of the ipod dock in the bag..it AND the digital amp crapped out on me, so I went with a dragonfly system. Of course its a typical Screaming Eagle...gets hot at the lights, but otherwise that 110 SE loves the road. Upgraded to a Baker transmission, but otherwise it's bone-stock. Bought the V&H tru-duels and DynoJet, but still have not installed them. They sent me the wrong exhaust bungs and the wideband O2 sensors didn't fit. Once they corrected it I lost motivation and got onto other things. May do it this year. Only has a few thousand miles on it, as I put the commutes on the Heritage...I only have about 20 grand in the Heritage, so doesn't bother me as much to ride it regular, even if I DO look like a circus act!

The wifeView attachment 507283View attachment 507284View attachment 507285View attachment 507286 says, "Think you have enough leather and studs on that thing?". I was like, "Be cool, the dog does too, and he likes me better!"
 
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Sweet! I love that bike. It's all I ride to sturgis now. I bought the hitch and had the trailer painted to match...they screwed it up, but close enough. Harley wanted retarded money for the sunset whatever they call it, so I had a local shop try their hand painting the trailer. They got it close enough to make folks cringe, but whatever.
Only problem I ever had was out of the ipod dock in the bag..it AND the digital amp crapped out on me, so I went with a dragonfly system. Of course its a typical Screaming Eagle...gets hot at the lights, but otherwise that 110 SE loves the road. Upgraded to a Baker transmission, but otherwise it's bone-stock. Bought the V&H tru-duels and DynoJet, but still have not installed them. They sent me the wrong exhaust bungs and the wideband O2 sensors didn't fit. Once they corrected it I lost motivation and got onto other things. May do it this year. Only has a few thousand miles on it, as I put the commutes on the Heritage...I only have about 20 grand in the Heritage, so doesn't bother me as much to ride it regular, even if I DO look like a circus act!

The wifeView attachment 507283View attachment 507284View attachment 507285View attachment 507286 says, "Think you have enough leather and studs on that thing?". I was like, "Be cool, the dog does too, and he likes me better!"

I have about 15k on mine, VH true duals with Reinhardts and a power commander with some head work and cams. Dyno at 108/122. It runs really well. Keep a eye on the sidewall of your front tire. They have a reputation of dry rotting and cracking right along the edge near the rim. Mine lasted 2 years and had to be replaced. Had to look very close to see the cracks but they were there. Other than that it's been a great scoot
 
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This was before the 14" Yaffee mini apes went on
 

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