Organic all natural livestock?

[N80]

Now, I will say this: I don't really care about 'organic', GMOs, antibiotics or steroids I am fairly fanatical about buying local. We get a weekly CSA (consumer supported agriculture???) basket from a large local farm. We get a lot of meat from a farm about 30 miles away (chicken, lamb, pork). We get Carolina Gold rice (makes grocery store rice seem flavorless and odorless) which is crazy expensive but is wonderful. We get our grits from a local farm/mill that grinds their own. We're blessed with great local corn and peaches.

Buying local is just a win-win. It is fresher, it supports locals, less resources used in shipping, etc.

However, I'm not so big on local beef. It is grass fed and just not all that great. If it cost half as much as good beef that would be different but I'm not going to pay double for 'grass fed' beef.

 

[k0ua]

Chickens- it is in the daily feed mix, unless you go looking to buy it without the antibiotic.

Re organic- buy it if you want, don't if you don't want to. The FDA/USDA etc may say it is safe, but then we have lobbyists who pay big bucks for them to talk the way they do. Eat and drink all of the chemicals you want. Fine with me.

But I want honest labeling, so I can decide for myself. ..... Tells you something when the chemical crap makes the guys working with it sick.
Just common sense. When money is involved, it always goes with the dollar. The food of today is not the food I grew up with.

My closest friend raises hundreds of thousands of meat chickens each year. When I asked him about the antibiotics he claimed there were none in their feed or water.

 

[N80]

My closest friend raises hundreds of thousands of meat chickens each year. When I asked him about the antibiotics he claimed there were none in their feed or water.

Right. And even if the feed has antibiotics then the chickens still have to be off of them long before they are sold.

tcreeley, you bring up a couple of interesting things. The marketing of "organic" foods is now big business too, with its own lobbyists and government regulation all of which would fall under the same suspicion, paranoia and conspiracy theory you have about non-organic designated foods. So you can't count on that 'organic' label meaning anything either.

Second, you say "eat and drink all the chemicals you want". Well, of course, we all do. Water is a chemical and it is deadly when consumed improperly. Everything you eat is pretty much a 'chemical'.

And the real irony is that heart disease, which is largely a matter of how much you eat (not what you eat) is the number one killer in this nation and no one gets all that worked up about all the perfectly natural and organic salt, sugar and fat that kills 500k people a year but we sure will get hot and bothered about the government buddying up to big ag and putting "chemicals" in our food.

 

[k0ua]

Right. And even if the feed has antibiotics then the chickens still have to be off of them long before they are sold.

tcreeley, you bring up a couple of interesting things. The marketing of "organic" foods is now big business too, with its own lobbyists and government regulation all of which would fall under the same suspicion, paranoia and conspiracy theory you have about non-organic designated foods. So you can't count on that 'organic' label meaning anything either.

Second, you say "eat and drink all the chemicals you want". Well, of course, we all do. Water is a chemical and it is deadly when consumed improperly. Everything you eat is pretty much a 'chemical'.

And the real irony is that heart disease, which is largely a matter of how much you eat (not what you eat) is the number one killer in this nation and no one gets all that worked up about all the perfectly natural and organic salt, sugar and fat that kills 500k people a year but we sure will get hot and bothered about the government buddying up to big ag and putting "chemicals" in our food.

Well stated.. :thumbsup: Dihydrogen Monoxide has probably killed more people than all the pesticides ever made on earth.

If you are unclear and would like to learn more about this chemical you can read about it here.

Facts About Dihydrogen Monoxide

Personally I am not really concerned about some of its adverse effects, and I believe I will go have a little of it now as I like the feeling of well being that I get when I take some (In small amounts).

 

[N80]

There is actually a psychiatric condition called psychogenic water abuse. It is usually part of schizophrenia if I remember correctly but the patient just drinks water continuously. The body tries to fight back by vomiting but that is frequently not enough. Subsequently they drink so much water that the concentration of sodium is diluted and they have a relative hyponatremia (low sodium) which leads to swelling of the brain, seizures and death if not corrected. I've seen it once in 25 years. The patient was near coma when we found him. He lived.

Of course the point that water is a 'chemical' is hyperbole, but it does point out that there is a paranoia like fear of 'chemicals'. But put in perspective, the most dangerous chemicals in our foods are salt, sugar and various fats. Traces of broken down antibiotics, steroids and even insecticides are meaningless compared to these.

But, the solution is to forget fads. Forget the government protecting you. Just buy local from a farm you trust.

 

[NorTracNY]

Yes, organic foods have become big business. That's why many of the organic brands are owned by the large food companies. The lobby primarily fights to allow more and more practices to be done and still call it organic.

 

[MutzFarm]

There is actually a psychiatric condition called psychogenic water abuse. It is usually part of schizophrenia if I remember correctly but the patient just drinks water continuously. The body tries to fight back by vomiting but that is frequently not enough. Subsequently they drink so much water that the concentration of sodium is diluted and they have a relative hyponatremia (low sodium) which leads to swelling of the brain, seizures and death if not corrected. I've seen it once in 25 years. The patient was near coma when we found him. He lived.

Of course the point that water is a 'chemical' is hyperbole, but it does point out that there is a paranoia like fear of 'chemicals'. But put in perspective, the most dangerous chemicals in our foods are salt, sugar and various fats. Traces of broken down antibiotics, steroids and even insecticides are meaningless compared to these.

But, the solution is to forget fads. Forget the government protecting you. Just buy local from a farm you trust.

:shocked:

 

[M5farms]

There is actually a psychiatric condition called psychogenic water abuse. It is usually part of schizophrenia if I remember correctly but the patient just drinks water continuously. The body tries to fight back by vomiting but that is frequently not enough. Subsequently they drink so much water that the concentration of sodium is diluted and they have a relative hyponatremia (low sodium) which leads to swelling of the brain, seizures and death if not corrected. I've seen it once in 25 years. The patient was near coma when we found him. He lived.

Of course the point that water is a 'chemical' is hyperbole, but it does point out that there is a paranoia like fear of 'chemicals'. But put in perspective, the most dangerous chemicals in our foods are salt, sugar and various fats. Traces of broken down antibiotics, steroids and even insecticides are meaningless compared to these.

But, the solution is to forget fads. Forget the government protecting you. Just buy local from a farm you trust.

yes The mental hospital here has quite a few of those patients and they have to have constant supervision

 

[CobyRupert]

Wanted to share a little video of feeding our livestock produce. We give this to cows, chickens, pigs, etc. Our source is almost 100% all natural organic. Does this mean we have almost all natural organic livestock?

Sorry to pick on you. Something about the phrase "Almost 100% all natural." makes me chuckle.
Like saying: "It's partially 100% pure."
Wife last year bought a gas powered Subaru that uses similar language, labels itself a PZEV vehicle (Partial Zero Emission Vehicle). Wish I was with her when she bought it, I would of suggested that the salesman also tells her it's VERY fast. It's a "Partial Light Speed Vehicle!" (It has a partial Warp II hyper drive 2.0 Liter engine )

 

[MutzFarm]

Sorry to pick on you. Something about the phrase "Almost 100% all natural." makes me chuckle.
Like saying: "It's partially 100% pure."
Wife last year bought a gas powered Subaru that uses similar language, labels itself a PZEV vehicle (Partial Zero Emission Vehicle). Wish I was with her when she bought it, I would of suggested that the salesman also tells her it's VERY fast. It's a "Partial Light Speed Vehicle!" (It has a partial Warp II hyper drive 2.0 Liter engine )

No harm, No foul.... :laughing: :thumbsup: