Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L

   / Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L #11  
The shifting you describe is a common complaint. Mine did it on the 1-2 shift mainly. If you step into it just a little harder, it will do better. As I recall there was some simple way to fix the shifting issue, check on the Cummins forum because I can't remember what it was. Maybe a TSB on it? Sorry, I can't help with the Smarty, didn't have one.
 
   / Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L
  • Thread Starter
#12  
Wonder what the difference is between the smarty JR and S06 is?

I'll look into the shifting issue. I inquired with a pretty reputable tranny guy about installing a shift kit or something. But he didnt advise it on a 95k mile tranny without a rebuild. Would be nice if the shifting issue is a simple fix. Thats probably the most annoying. Well other than the in-cabin noise since the truck has no muffler:laughing: It fell off 5 ears ago and I never fixed it. Exhaust ends right after the cat. Sounds good though:thumbsup: but too much resonance in the cab. I need to pipe it back to OEM location minus the muffler though;)
 
   / Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L #13  
MBRP (sp?) makes a good aftermarket exhaust. When I bought mine it had a straight pipe. Mine was an 04 so no cat. convertor. It was very annoying.
 
   / Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L #14  
I had a straight 5" exhaust. It was horrible. The drone was terrible but it did sound good. If I did anything, it would be to remove the muffler. Little deeper growl. Good thing about the 48re is they are cheap to build. 3k for mild, 5k will usually get you and input and output shaft...maybe more.

Get the gauges for sure though

Brett
 
   / Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L #15  
Was doing some reading on the smarty S06. couple of questions..

Q1. With it being a tuner that hooks to OBD port, does it need to stay hooked up? Once I select a power level, if unhooked does it revert back to stock programming?

Q2. Does it modify any tranny stuff.

I dont like the current shift characteristics of the 4-speed auto. Even under normal driving, it seems like it should shift sooner. About 2500RPM and it seems to fall flat even when just a nice easy acceleration. It absolutely wont shift to 4th unless over 50MPH. So I often find myself getting to 50-55MPH and having to let off the pedal so it will shift and I can continue accelerating. And when towing, if climbing a grade that requires a downshift, it seems like it always downshifts 2 gears then immediately back up one gear.

Kinda hard to describe, but anyone with a 4-speed auto and 5.9L cummins probably knows exactly what I am talking about.

I had an '04 that I put 280,000 miles on. All but 20,000 of that was with a programmer. First I ran a Bullydog for about 20,000 miles or so and then a Smarty (not the jr) for the rest of the time I had it.

There are no hardware differences, just programming through the OBD port and there are different levels or settings for different purposes.

The reason the Smarty and the Bullydog are so good is because they don't change the rail pressure, just the timing and duration. This means better mileage on the lower settings and more power on the higher settings with no additional fuel system stress. It changes the throttle response to be much more immediate. The Smarty is a wonderful programmer.

If you don't have the stock size tires, 265/70r17, the shifting will suffer. As I recall, the Smarty will allow you to set the pinion factor for different tires. Stock rear end ratio is 3.73 on most of them.

You have to watch your EGT when towing and the 48 RE tranny is not designed for much more power than stock. The programming does nothing to the tranny. In the 2004.5 (Jan1, 2004 and later) models and later years, the tranny became partially computer controlled. They all are internally governed, but mine had a throttle cable going down to it for throttle position and I think yours is done with a wire. The 2004 and later ones also have a roller thrust bearing so you can add an exhaust brake if you want.

Mine had so much more torque down low that it overpowered the lockup converter. So I installed a heavier duty one and a valve body. It overpowered the new one too. When towing keep the RPM up at around 2,000 RPM or more and you'll be much better off.

So, I highly recommend the Smarty and running it on the towing setting of either 30 or 60 HP. This will advance the timing, increase throttle response and improve the mileage a bit. Then get gauges. Experiment with the 90 HP setting to see what it does and be ready to get a tranny if you like the results.

If you get a tranny, be sure to get a triple disk lockup clutch, the heavy duty intermediate band and a better valve body than stock. They also need an input shaft if you want to hammer it. And The flex plates are known to crack, so while you're in there, do that too.

The 48 RE is an evolutionary tranny that never really got sorted out. They can be made to be extremely tough, but they don't shift like you might expect them to. Remember, they came from the three speed Torque-Flite that came out in 1957. That tranny evolved with an aluminum case, no rear pump, heavier planetary, lockup clutch, etc. Then they needed another gear, so the OD was added on in about 1990. There were a lot of overheating problems with them earlier, but your '05 won't have that problem because it locks up and it has an additional heat exchanger.

Get ready to see some smoke.

You can get a Donaldson muffler that will pretty much bolt right in. These are not very expensive and work very well. Or, like I did, an MBRP stainless one and deal with it being louder. I ran mine out the side and put a glass packed tip on to get rid of some of the noise.

Overall, my Dodge drove like a sports car with instant torque and big power. When I sold it at 280,000 miles it still ran better than it did new and used no oil. I did nothing with injectors and only had to replace the throttle position sensor and a water pump in all those miles.

The 2005 models, I believe had plastic intercooler caps. So watch yours. You also have the can bus system and computer controlled waste gate. So you may need a boost fooler or boost bolt setup.

If you hate the shifting and drive in the mountains, you might like a mystery switch. I did it on mine and liked it, but you have to be careful with it as it manually locks the converter and keeps it locked. Drives like a stick in the mountains, but can be hard on things if not careful.

While here, allow me to stray off course a bit:
Your biggest problem other than the tranny is likely to be the front end. Lots of good fixes for that are available. Good ball joints, a heavy duty track bar and the 2008 or later steering linkage, pitman arm and damper. And, of course, U-joints and unit bearings. Then adjust the play out of the steering box, but don't follow the factory procedure. Do some research and do it the easy way. The larger the tires you run the more likely you'll have problems, but whatever you run BE SURE to keep them properly spin balanced.

Get a Smarty!
 
   / Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L
  • Thread Starter
#16  
I had an '04 that I put 280,000 miles on. All but 20,000 of that was with a programmer. First I ran a Bullydog for about 20,000 miles or so and then a Smarty (not the jr) for the rest of the time I had it.

There are no hardware differences, just programming through the OBD port and there are different levels or settings for different purposes.

The reason the Smarty and the Bullydog are so good is because they don't change the rail pressure, just the timing and duration. This means better mileage on the lower settings and more power on the higher settings with no additional fuel system stress. It changes the throttle response to be much more immediate. The Smarty is a wonderful programmer.

If you don't have the stock size tires, 265/70r17, the shifting will suffer. As I recall, the Smarty will allow you to set the pinion factor for different tires. Stock rear end ratio is 3.73 on most of them.

You have to watch your EGT when towing and the 48 RE tranny is not designed for much more power than stock. The programming does nothing to the tranny. In the 2004.5 (Jan1, 2004 and later) models and later years, the tranny became partially computer controlled. They all are internally governed, but mine had a throttle cable going down to it for throttle position and I think yours is done with a wire. The 2004 and later ones also have a roller thrust bearing so you can add an exhaust brake if you want.

Mine had so much more torque down low that it overpowered the lockup converter. So I installed a heavier duty one and a valve body. It overpowered the new one too. When towing keep the RPM up at around 2,000 RPM or more and you'll be much better off.

So, I highly recommend the Smarty and running it on the towing setting of either 30 or 60 HP. This will advance the timing, increase throttle response and improve the mileage a bit. Then get gauges. Experiment with the 90 HP setting to see what it does and be ready to get a tranny if you like the results.

If you get a tranny, be sure to get a triple disk lockup clutch, the heavy duty intermediate band and a better valve body than stock. They also need an input shaft if you want to hammer it. And The flex plates are known to crack, so while you're in there, do that too.

The 48 RE is an evolutionary tranny that never really got sorted out. They can be made to be extremely tough, but they don't shift like you might expect them to. Remember, they came from the three speed Torque-Flite that came out in 1957. That tranny evolved with an aluminum case, no rear pump, heavier planetary, lockup clutch, etc. Then they needed another gear, so the OD was added on in about 1990. There were a lot of overheating problems with them earlier, but your '05 won't have that problem because it locks up and it has an additional heat exchanger.

Get ready to see some smoke.

You can get a Donaldson muffler that will pretty much bolt right in. These are not very expensive and work very well. Or, like I did, an MBRP stainless one and deal with it being louder. I ran mine out the side and put a glass packed tip on to get rid of some of the noise.

Overall, my Dodge drove like a sports car with instant torque and big power. When I sold it at 280,000 miles it still ran better than it did new and used no oil. I did nothing with injectors and only had to replace the throttle position sensor and a water pump in all those miles.

The 2005 models, I believe had plastic intercooler caps. So watch yours. You also have the can bus system and computer controlled waste gate. So you may need a boost fooler or boost bolt setup.

If you hate the shifting and drive in the mountains, you might like a mystery switch. I did it on mine and liked it, but you have to be careful with it as it manually locks the converter and keeps it locked. Drives like a stick in the mountains, but can be hard on things if not careful.

While here, allow me to stray off course a bit:
Your biggest problem other than the tranny is likely to be the front end. Lots of good fixes for that are available. Good ball joints, a heavy duty track bar and the 2008 or later steering linkage, pitman arm and damper. And, of course, U-joints and unit bearings. Then adjust the play out of the steering box, but don't follow the factory procedure. Do some research and do it the easy way. The larger the tires you run the more likely you'll have problems, but whatever you run BE SURE to keep them properly spin balanced.

Get a Smarty!

Lots of good info, thank you.

Already been through the front end a few times. Its a plow truck in the winter, so.....lots harder on front end stuff than just towing.

Not sure I want to invest the money in alot of the thins some of you are suggesting. I dont tow often, and certainly not mountains. Just some rolling ohio hills. Dont want to do anything hardware related. Dont want to mess with a waste gate, trans mods, gauges, etc. Just a simple programmer or chip to give me a bit better efficiency, and ~40-50 more ponies. Its not like I will be driving around all the time using more power and destroying the transmission. So of the 325hp the truck makes now, I probably only use 250HP of it when towing. Because I keep the pedal off the floorboard. Just want a tad more on tap to maybe limit some downshifts.

And what prompted me to start looking, was just yesterday morning on the way home from a mowing job. (for those familiar with north central ohio) I was on US30 heading west and getting off at I71 south. Its a real sharp cloverleaf, rumble strips and 25-30 mph. And not much time to merge. But the bad part is its uphill for about the next mile. Im not good at guessing grades. But its enough that with my stock 5.9L and 12.5k behind the truck, I couldnt accelerate past 65mph. I kept giving it a little more pedal...but not gaining speed. Pretty soon I realized pedal was on floorboard but still not gaining. So I backed off to ~50% pedal and maintained ~60mph till we crested the hill. A few more ponies might have allowed me to get up to speed, or perhaps downshift and still maintain speed.
 
   / Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L #17  
When I brought my 5083E home from the dealer, I had my chips turned off since I was towing so heavy, but There were 2 hills on the way home that due to the curves leading up to and into them, I could only get to 40mph, Listening to that ole girl spinning at 3k for those long pulls was not a lot of fun. I do remember the stick moving what felt like 2" to the side when I would pull out in first gear too! That was a dam good truck that got 19 mpg hand calc'd. I sure do miss driving that truck!
 
   / Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L #18  
LD1,

Sorry if I made it sound like you just had to do a lot of things. You don't.

After I sold my truck, I sold one of my programmers to a friend with an '04. He did nothing more than install it and he loves it. Better mileage and better throttle response.

Go with either a Smarty or a Bullydog.
 
   / Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L #19  
Regardless of brand, make or model, please get some gauges if you add performance above stock. Even if you don't, gauges can help you save your trans before it overheats. Boost, EGT, trans temp, are a must-have. I put a trans temp gauge in my buddy's stock tuned truck, just because he loads it, and hauls heavy. Now he knows how hot the trans is getting and when to let it rest, it has saved him a few times. Boost us fun info, but EGT is vital engine info.
 
   / Best tuner/chip for 2005 cummins 5.9L #20  
I couldnt accelerate past 65mph. I kept giving it a little more pedal...but not gaining speed. Pretty soon I realized pedal was on floorboard but still not gaining. So I backed off to ~50% pedal and maintained ~60mph till we crested the hill. A few more ponies might have allowed me to get up to speed, or perhaps downshift and still maintain speed.

Sorry to go off track a bit...

You don't consider 60-65 to be up to speed? What are your speed limits out there? Here the limit is 70MPH and there are lots of passenger cars that travel 65MPH all the time. There are also loaded semi trucks doing 40-45 on the hills because that's all they can do. When I tow heavy with my F150 (about 8k for the tractor and another 2500 for the trailer) I find a semi that's rolling good and follow him down the road so I don't feel the need to squeeze the throttle to get out of anyone's way on the hills.

Here in WV it is called the Rolls-Can'ardly Driving Method (Rolls down one hill and Can'ardly make it up the next < spoken with a true hillbilly accent) and is commonly used by those that want MPG numbers close to what the manufacturers advertise. Let the downhill trip bring ya to the speed limit, and let the uphill trip lose a few MPH to save a few MPG.
 

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