Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

[Redneck in training]

It's common in these studies to omit the kW cost of refining and transporting fuel as well which is a pretty significant. If I remember correctly it's about 6kW per gallon refined and I'm sure those tankers don't get great mileage.

ICE car uses about 5% of the energy contained in the fuel when it was still underground. An electric car uses over 20%.
I just returned from a job for a coal-burning power plant. Lack of load at a certain time is a big problem for it. The plant is penalized by producing power nobody wants during negative load situation. Coal burning plants would benefit from power used by charging electric cars.

 

[Egon]

A power grid with off peak management capabilities?

 

[houstonscott]

A factory that removes CO2, so you guys leave our lives alone.

 

[California]

I just returned from a job for a coal-burning power plant....

Coal? Nuclear is the future. Look what you're missing!

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[vvanders]

A factory that removes CO2, so you guys leave our lives alone.

No one is forcing you to buy an electric car. If you don't want one then don't drive one, pretty simple.

Also, just to head anything off, we're talking about the bolt/EVs here and not politics. If you want to talk about that start your own thread.

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Also even if there wasnt co2 benefits I'd still drive electric. An american made ~500hp car that weights 5k and can still do a sub 4 second 0-60? I challenge and one who wouldn't enjoy that.

 

[California]

...you guys leave our lives alone.

You are *NOT* being oppressed by other's curiosity about the potential of EV's.

If you feel strongly that this this discussion is an intrusion on your life, please reconsider.

 

[houstonscott]

No one is forcing you to buy an electric car. If you don't want one then don't drive one, pretty simple. Also, just to head anything off, we're talking about the bolt/EVs here and not politics. If you want to talk about that start your own thread. [edit] Also even if there wasnt co2 benefits I'd still drive electric. An american made ~500hp car that weights 5k and can still do a sub 4 second 0-60? I challenge and one who wouldn't enjoy that.

Except the drive trains failure rate is about 40%, and there are many lawsuits.

 

[vvanders]

Except the drive trains failure rate is about 40%, and there are many lawsuits.

Drivetrain, batteries and motor are covered under an 8-year unlimited mile warranty so I'm not to worried. Had ours for over two years and completely happy.

Like I said, if don't want one, don't buy one. Simple as that.

 

[houstonscott]

Drivetrain, batteries and motor are covered under an 8-year unlimited mile warranty so I'm not to worried. Had ours for over two years and completely happy. Like I said, if don't want one, don't buy one. Simple as that.

Well let's talk cars then, without the stupid saving the world crap, let's just put that part of an electric car discussion behind us as pure fiction, it's not saving gas, or reducing CO2 by owning or driving electric. Glad that's settled. I've watched many videos complaining of plain Jane interiors that fall apart like a $12k car, not even in ballpark for a car of $80k. Much of the components are straight up MB, turn signals and such... Like much of the engineering and understanding of building car a is missing. MB C350e is much more a complete design, and is a decade ahead of Tesla. Let's also agree as gear heads a car is a whole lot more that basic transportation. Reliability, performance, styling, construction, handling, build quality, pedigree, history, innovation, comfort, all come into play. Tesla fails in nearly every category in my opinion. Four wheels and a battery, Tesla seems one step above a very nice kit car.

 

[Redneck in training]

Coal? Nuclear is the future. Look what you're missing!

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Nuclear has similar issues as coal. To shut it down takes hours or even days. Restarting takes a similar time. Provided that the battery chargers have a software integrating them into grid management could react in fraction of second. In fact they can even sell energy for peak rates.

I am familiar with the plant. It is a short drive from my former hometown. Westinghouse bought it for 1 USD with a condition to complete it. It originally had Chernobyl type reactors that were repalced with Westinghouse design.