Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

[Egon]

Too complicated and too expensive for Joe Average.

I've often wondered if the fellows driving those big material handlers at the oil sands really know how they work?

 

[buickanddeere]

What is the subsidized rate paid to wind, solar and natural gas vs hydralic, fossil and nuclear ?
Who pays for the standby generation that is already to go online when wind or solar fails or if the utility looses a transmission line ?
When are the EV's going to charge for use in the morning when they are supplying the utility at night ?
Do either one of you have actual first person experience in utility power generation and transmission?

 

[IslandTractor]

What is the subsidized rate paid to wind, solar and natural gas vs hydralic, fossil and nuclear ?
Who pays for the standby generation that is already to go online when wind or solar fails or if the utility looses a transmission line ?
When are the EV's going to charge for use in the morning when they are supplying the utility at night ?
Do either one of you have actual first person experience in utility power generation and transmission?

I'm not a civil or nuclear or electrical engineer but I do sometimes stay in Holiday Inns.

How about using excess power to pump water uphill to reservoirs in low demand periods to be recovered by turbines in peak demand times. There would be efficiency loses but it's a pretty simple low tech way to store energy anywhere there are hills.

 

[houstonscott]

I'm not a civil or nuclear or electrical engineer but I do sometimes stay in Holiday Inns. How about using excess power to pump water uphill to reservoirs in low demand periods to be recovered by turbines in peak demand times. There would be efficiency loses but it's a pretty simple low tech way to store energy anywhere there are hills.

It's already being done.

 

[Egon]

What is the subsidized rate paid to wind, solar and natural gas vs hydralic, fossil and nuclear ?
Who pays for the standby generation that is already to go online when wind or solar fails or if the utility looses a transmission line ?
When are the EV's going to charge for use in the morning when they are supplying the utility at night ?
Do either one of you have actual first person experience in utility power generation and transmission?

Experience, is that like twenty years or twenty years three months at a time??

Experience with the operating part of a system doesn't mean there is an understanding of the system.

 

[aeblank]

Ludington, mi. About 30 minutes from where I grew up.

 

[buickanddeere]

I'm not a civil or nuclear or electrical engineer but I do sometimes stay in Holiday Inns.

How about using excess power to pump water uphill to reservoirs in low demand periods to be recovered by turbines in peak demand times. There would be efficiency loses but it's a pretty simple low tech way to store energy anywhere there are hills.

Find an engineer to tell you how much non existent water that will not disturb wild life that can be pumped into dams that won't flood hundreds of thousands of acres. Don't forget the trains parked on mountain slopes too. Do you know what solar and wind is paid for wholesale power ? Who is paying the higher wholesale price ?

 

[California]

Everybody gets subsidies! It's the American way. But you need good lobbyists to get them enacted. Here's California's Central Valley Project, a scheme to deliver water to rich farmers. It's pretty big. (It also includes a lot of water pumped uphill in off-peak hours for load balancing).

"... pumping agricultural water around the CVP consumes almost 1 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity each year."

How the CVP Works | EWG

Then in the Secret Subsidies chapter:

"What was startling was the astounding low price [farm] districts were paying for the power used to store and transport irrigation water: just 1.1 cents per kWh in 2002, and 0.95 cents per kWh in 2003.

"We then compared CVP electricity rates, to the agricultural electricity rates charged by Pacific Gas & Electric, the major power provider in the CVP service area.

"In both 2002 and 2003, PG&E's agricultural power rate was 13.5 cents per kWh - 12 to 14 times higher than what CVP agribusiness pay ... Notably, PG&E has about 100,000 agricultural power accounts, while the CVP serves fewer than 7,000 farms. If your farm is within the CVP service area you are one of the lucky few eligible for a power and water subsidy windfall.

In other words, it's who you know. Subsidies are nothing new.

 

[Egon]

Find an engineer to tell you how much non existent water that will not disturb wild life that can be pumped into dams that won't flood hundreds of thousands of acres. Don't forget the trains parked on mountain slopes too. Do you know what solar and wind is paid for wholesale power ? Who is paying the higher wholesale price ?

Diversional tactics B&D ?? Trains, planes, airplanes ??
To obtain a proper perspective one must diverge themselves of the The Company Imprinted Mindset. It will open new worlds; many of which will surprise you. But keep up the act; it helps on the paycheck.

 

[California]

... Trains, planes, airplanes ??

Those could never work.

Everybody knows the passengers will suffocate when they exceed 30 mph.

[critics of early steam locomotives]

Self-powered automobiles? Mandatory flagger on foot walking in front of them! (State law in Ohio or someplace).

EV's? Those would need subsidies! Can't allow that! (right here in this thread)