Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

[buickanddeere]

Diversional tactics B&D ?? Trains, planes, airplanes ??
To obtain a proper perspective one must diverge themselves of the The Company Imprinted Mindset. It will open new worlds; many of which will surprise you. But keep up the act; it helps on the paycheck.

You best wishes still won't make trains on top of mountains or new pumped hydraulic practical. No diversion, this is part of generation & transmission. It may sound all well and good that the world will run on wind and solar with low cost batteries for backup, just like the greenies say on TV or at protests. Reality is those pesky laws of physics can not be broken.

 

[buickanddeere]

Those could never work.

Everybody knows the passengers will suffocate when they exceed 30 mph.

[critics of early steam locomotives]

Self-powered automobiles? Mandatory flagger on foot walking in front of them! (State law in Ohio or someplace).

EV's? Those would need subsidies! Can't allow that! (right here in this thread)

The EV can not now and can not in the future survive outside of golf courses and business loading docks without subsidies. Nor without rules and regulation mandating their sale. Same as solar and wind would immediately fail if paid market rate.
What is going to pay for the cost of base load and peaking generation capacity that is required because batteries are not enough. If daytime peak rates are depressed by subsidized solar where is hydraulic, fossil and nuclear going to make $$$ to pay the bills ? The subsidized nuclear and wind was a rather clever idea to put existing base load and peaking capacity out of business. Then the scramble to build natural gas and diesel gensets for peaking and backup when wind and solar fail.
Sorry but your ideals and lack of experience have blinded you to the complexity of power generation and transmission.

 

[California]

Do you think man will ever reach the moon?

 

[Redneck in training]

It is not wind or solar that put coal plants out of business. It is cheap Natural gas. Coal plants would love the electric cars if they are charged at night. Low night load is the persistent problem. Street lights are switching to LEDs (some have batteries charged by a PV panel), ACs are more efficient, houses are better insulated etc. All this has impact on night load. If you spread wind and solar over large area it becomes predictable. Problem is lack of long distance transmission lines facilitating transport of energy from areas with excess to areas where there is a demand.

 

[Egon]

Well, the laws of physics mandate solar and wind generated power is just not viable, the man of superior generation and distribution Knowledge keeps telling us. In his view the situation is static and will remain so for millennial.

But maybe, just maybe, those same laws can be applied in the design and build of systems that are enabled to handle fluxations.

 

[Redneck in training]

China is going to increase battery production 120 GW.
China Is About to Bury Elon Musk in Batteries
Tesla has plans to build another 3 battery factories. And that is just a beginning. It is likely that the battery cost per kWh will drop similar way as cost of the PV. The time of distributed energy generation and utility size energy storage is near.
I will take a good look at the Leaf. Supposedly there is glut of those coming from lease. If the car is for less than 10K I think it is no brainer to buy it as grocery getter. Closest grocery or Walmart is about 14 miles, Menards or HD about 27 miles from our house. That is easy withing the range of Leaf even at the worst circumstances.

 

[buickanddeere]

Do you think man will ever reach the moon?

red herring, straw man

 

[buickanddeere]

Well, the laws of physics mandate solar and wind generated power is just not viable, the man of superior generation and distribution Knowledge keeps telling us. In his view the situation is static and will remain so for millennial.

But maybe, just maybe, those same laws can be applied in the design and build of systems that are enabled to handle fluxations.

Are you aware that the entire continent of North America is already tied together in one large interconnected electrical grid. Power is already shuffled across states, provinces, interstate, inter province and across borders. There is no 24/7 solar across North America. The lowest cost power is base load nuclear and hydraulic with peaking hydraulic and peaking fossil . Solar can connect to the grid if they want to be paid between 0 to 8 cents per Kw hr instead of up to 80.2 cents per Kw hr.
The one place where solar has a place is on Hawaii's messed up environmental electrical grid. Other isolated island micro grids as well where imported $$$ diesel or gasoline gen sets are the norm. The utilities have not been able to build sizeable hydroelectric power dams and capacity is limited of those that exist. Base load nuclear does not exist. Cola power plants for base load power and peaking are few and small. This leaves gas turbines and turbo diesel gens sets operating on $$$ fuel oil. Because of the climate, peak AC loads and the lack of base load generation. Hawaii could just about break even with just solar and hydraulic during mid day.

 

[Redneck in training]

Are you aware that the entire continent of North America is already tied together in one large interconnected electrical grid. Power is already shuffled across states, provinces, interstate, inter province and across borders. There is no 24/7 solar across North America. The lowest cost power is base load nuclear and hydraulic with peaking hydraulic and peaking fossil . Solar can connect to the grid if they want to be paid between 0 to 8 cents per Kw hr instead of up to 80.2 cents per Kw hr.

I am paid 3.5 cent/kWh for my PV generated power. It makes break even point somewhat farther than originally anticipated but I will still make significant amount of money by the end of life of the system.

 

[Egon]

Are you aware that the entire continent of North America is already tied together in one large interconnected electrical grid. Power is already shuffled across states, provinces, interstate, inter province and across borders. There is no 24/7 solar across North America. The lowest cost power is base load nuclear and hydraulic with peaking hydraulic and peaking fossil . Solar can connect to the grid if they want to be paid between 0 to 8 cents per Kw hr instead of up to 80.2 cents per Kw hr.
The one place where solar has a place is on Hawaii's messed up environmental electrical grid. Other isolated island micro grids as well where imported $$$ diesel or gasoline gen sets are the norm. The utilities have not been able to build sizeable hydroelectric power dams and capacity is limited of those that exist. Base load nuclear does not exist. Cola power plants for base load power and peaking are few and small. This leaves gas turbines and turbo diesel gens sets operating on $$$ fuel oil. Because of the climate, peak AC loads and the lack of base load generation. Hawaii could just about break even with just solar and hydraulic during mid day.

Yes well aware of it.
If you want to talk "low cost" just remember to get all the costs incurred. Like all of them; not just the plant operating costs.

Did you know energy can be stored in scenarios that do not include batteries?

Did you know there have been recent additions to the Periodic Table?

Do you realize it would be possible to arrange grid loading so it can run at a constant load? Yeh, it would require some new systems and community/industrial involvement for power usage.

Do you know that thinking outside the box may be a corporate Buzzword but don't get found using it within the corporation.