Dont take her pocky-book

[k0ua]

Here is the underlying animosity to the actions of the thief and the reason many members here have condoned the actions of the women.

We are "sick and tired" of the criminal justice system letting criminals go with a "slap on the wrist". We feel powerless when criminals are not punished by our failed criminal "justice" system. This all started over 50 years ago. As more and more liberal judges began being nominated and placed and elected into their positions.

In the old days a criminal who stole a woman's purse would have been run down and captured by a police officer would likely have been severely beaten during the arrest by the policeman's truncheon, thrown in jail and if found guilty been sentenced to a good stretch in prison. A purse snatcher at the time really offended our sensibilities, and Judges of the time reflected those feelings of the community. Case in point, both horse and cattle thieves were usually punished by hanging not that long ago.

Public hangings were the norm back in the day. We took crime seriously and punishment even more so. Then we got soft. We elected "progressives". They appointed like minded judges. We have made "progress". In some states even defending yourself in your own home from a criminal is an "iffy" proposition.. Not in my state, but many "progressive" states have made themselves a haven for criminals. Many have sanctuary cities, or threaten making the whole state a sanctuary state.

So when we see a pregnant woman in a car run down a thief, a lot of us silently cheer and wish that one of the tires had come to rest on his head. Many of us are very frustrated by our lack of justice in the justice system.

This bit of psychological wisdom is brought to you by "Judge James". (I was called that on another thread for trying to uphold a modicum of decency in the thread by the class clown.)

 

[dieselcrawler]

I did not take the time to read past page 2. But I will give my opinion on the subject. If more people would react to criminals like the purse snatcher, and the laws didnt protect the dumb b@$terd, and make the victem (the woman who's purse was snatched) into the criminal, there would be alot less petty theft. I hope the woman isnt charged, and the thief has to pay for any damage to her vehicle, and her court cost, if any.

Stop protecting criminals! Dont mess with my family or my stuff, ITS NOT YOURS!

 

[Sigarms]

Here is the underlying animosity to the actions of the thief and the reason many members here have condoned the actions of the women.

We are "sick and tired" of the criminal justice system letting criminals go with a "slap on the wrist". We feel powerless when criminals are not punished by our failed criminal "justice" system. This all started over 50 years ago. As more and more liberal judges began being nominated and placed and elected into their positions.

In the old days a criminal who stole a woman's purse would have been run down and captured by a police officer would likely have been severely beaten during the arrest by the policeman's truncheon, thrown in jail and if found guilty been sentenced to a good stretch in prison. A purse snatcher at the time really offended our sensibilities, and Judges of the time reflected those feelings of the community. Case in point, both horse and cattle thieves were usually punished by hanging not that long ago.

Public hangings were the norm back in the day. We took crime seriously and punishment even more so. Then we got soft. We elected "progressives". They appointed like minded judges. We have made "progress". In some states even defending yourself in your own home from a criminal is an "iffy" proposition.. Not in my state, but many "progressive" states have made themselves a haven for criminals. Many have sanctuary cities, or threaten making the whole state a sanctuary state.

In the "old days", exactly how many people do you think were innocent that were sent to the gallows?

"Hang em first, ask questions later"!

The Scottsboro boys come to mind first...

Scottsboro Boys - Wikipedia

I for one do NOT want the justice of the old wild west days as well. How many lawmen in those days were actually nothing more than hired gun hands once running from justice themselves?

Hopefully, we learn as we progress as a society.

As far as taking retribution into your own hands, what most people can't figure out that you actions may have unintended consequences. Yes, the lady hit the thief with her car. However, there was also the chance she could of hit a bystander that had nothing to do with the theft. The fact is, she was pissed off and took matter into her owns. Good for her, but also lucky for her that in her anger, she didn't accidently hit a innocent bystander in a wal mart parking lot.

This is just like being in your home with a possible intruder in you home at night. As long as everyone is secure and you're armed, you STAY PUT and don't go after the threat. Going after the threat when your life is NOT in danger is not worth the possible risk of what could happen. You of all people should realize that.

That said, I have no doubt my line of reasoning will have no affect upon those with the pitchforks and torches lit, already marching:laughing:

 

[Sysop]

I don't think anyone totally wants to go back to "the wild west" ways of doing things. Just find a happy medium. We have went too far away from those roots when repeat-offender rapists and other violent criminals continually beat the system and walk the streets.

 

[Sigarms]

I don't think anyone totally wants to go back to "the wild west" ways of doing things. Just find a happy medium. We have went too far away from those roots when repeat-offender rapists and other violent criminals continually beat the system and walk the streets.

And to that extent, James is right. We're just condoning the womans actions because we're fed up with the justice system.

My only point is the reality is that once you take action agasint a threat that no longer exists, you only greatly increase the odds that something could go wrong. My belief is that the odds that something could go wrong is not worth trying to take retribution into your own hands.

Hey, at least our justice system let Roy Bryant off the hook.

Emmett Till - Wikipedia

The reality is, and if James was in law enfocement and has done any studying on the subject, he should agree with, is the fact is eye witness testimony isn't always cracked up to what people think it is.

 

[k0ua]

I am not saying what the women did is justified or prudent in that situation, what I am saying is that a lot of people are fed up with progressive ideals, and the coddling of criminals. I am just pointing out that when someone goes into the realm of vigilante justice, many of us secretly or not so secretly say " good hope she kills the bastich". you may point out where some innocent person was unjustly accused, and tried and put to death, and I can point to millions of criminals from petty theft to murder who were tried, found guilty and then let go with a minimum of punishment.

It is this miscarriage of justice that eats away at the fabric of society's morals just like a drop of battery acid east away at your blue jeans.
This is what causes some people to despair and take the law into their own hands. After all the law often fails us why should we not try to set this right?

As an example, say a man rapes and murders a 14 year old girl, but do to "technicalities" he is acquitted and as he comes out of the courthouse the girls father blows his head off with a .45. Now you know what the father did is wrong, but a part of you says "good, the bastich got what he had coming to him"

Now this might be an extreme example, but you get what I am saying, the criminal justice system is eat up with progressive ideals and often fails society. Oh sure you can go too far the other way too, and we as a society often have, but I for one think we have swung too far to the progressive side in many states and jurisdictions. Many thousands of judges need to lose their jobs and be replaced with men and women with more common sense convictions.

This is all just my opinion of course, Your Milage May Vary.

 

[k0ua]

And to that extent, James is right. We're just condoning the womans actions because we're fed up with the justice system.

My only point is the reality is that once you take action agasint a threat that no longer exists, you only greatly increase the odds that something could go wrong. My belief is that the odds that something could go wrong is not worth trying to take retribution into your own hands.

Hey, at least our justice system let Roy Bryant off the hook.

Emmett Till - Wikipedia

The reality is, and if James was in law enfocement and has done any studying on the subject, he should agree with, is the fact is eye witness testimony isn't always cracked up to what people think it is.

Oh, I agree eye witness testimony is almost totally worthless, and I don't know anything about the facts surrounding this purse snatching incident. I am just pointing out the "why" that people who are fed up with our justice system do some of the things they do.

 

[Sigarms]

I am not saying what the women did is justified or prudent in that situation, what I am saying is that a lot of people are fed up with progressive ideals, and the coddling of criminals. I am just pointing out that when someone goes into the realm of vigilante justice, many of us secretly or not so secretly say " good hope she kills the bastich". you may point out where some innocent person was unjustly accused, and tried and put to death, and I can point to millions of criminals from petty theft to murder who were tried, found guilty and then let go with a minimum of punishment.

It is this miscarriage of justice that eats away at the fabric of society's morals just like a drop of battery acid east away at your blue jeans.
This is what causes some people to despair and take the law into their own hands. After all the law often fails us why should we not try to set this right?

As an example, say a man rapes and murders a 14 year old girl, but do to "technicalities" he is acquitted and as he comes out of the courthouse the girls father blows his head off with a .45. Now you know what the father did is wrong, but a part of you says "good, the bastich got what he had coming to him"

Now this might be an extreme example, but you get what I am saying, the criminal justice system is eat up with progressive ideals and often fails society. Oh sure you can go too far the other way too, and we as a society often have, but I for one think we have swung too far to the progressive side in many states and jurisdictions. Many thousands of judges need to lose their jobs and be replaced with men and women with more common sense convictions.

This is all just my opinion of course, Your Milage May Vary.

First off, I'm an idiot and don't know how to use mutliple quotes from the same post

1 - If you aren't saying what the woman is justified in doing what she did, should she be held accountable for breaking any laws as the thief? What if she really would of killed the thief? Would death be a suitable punishment for stealing a purse?

2 - I'd respectfully argue that it's not the miscarriage of justice that eats away at the fabric of our morals as a society, but that our morals start first from the family, and it's up to the family to try and raise their children the best they can and pray a lot

The reality is man has been committing sin agasint God and breaking man's law since Caine and Abel. I honestly don't think what our justice system does is going to remedy that, do you?

At least if we lived under a strict Government hand with draconian laws, it would be easier to manipulate the statistics in proving that "hard punishment" really does deter crime because no one would be allow to point on issues on the way they gather their data.

On a sidenote, after looking at the mugshots, ironically enough, both look like they could be boyfriend and girlfriend Yes, going off the picture only, my bad.

 

[cqaigy2]

First off, I'm an idiot and don't know how to use mutliple quotes from the same post

1 - If you aren't saying what the woman is justified in doing what she did, should she be held accountable for breaking any laws as the thief? What if she really would of killed the thief? Would death be a suitable punishment for stealing a purse?

2 - I'd respectfully argue that it's not the miscarriage of justice that eats away at the fabric of our morals as a society, but that our morals start first from the family, and it's up to the family to try and raise their children the best they can and pray a lot

The reality is man has been committing sin agasint God and breaking man's law since Caine and Abel. I honestly don't think what our justice system does is going to remedy that, do you?

At least if we lived under a strict Government hand with draconian laws, it would be easier to manipulate the statistics in proving that "hard punishment" really does deter crime because no one would be allow to point on issues on the way they gather their data.

On a sidenote, after looking at the mugshots, ironically enough, both look like they could be boyfriend and girlfriend Yes, going off the picture only, my bad.

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Ok, i too am an idiot and don't know how to multi quote. Sound like AAA I don't condone vigilante justice and i think there is a lot wrong with our justice and incarceration systems. I don't we are sending too few thru our courts and on to jail, but too many. The "war" on drugs has seen to that. Just warehousing people in these, for profit, prisons hasn't seemed to help, there's got to be a better way.

One thing though on the purse theft, it would be very easy to get a persons home address and get the keys and your on the way to the victims house, that would scare me, possibly to the point of a rash action, not because of the material goods that could be stolen, but my family is very important to me.

 

[Sigarms]

One thing though on the purse theft, it would be very easy to get a persons home address and get the keys and your on the way to the victims house, that would scare me, possibly to the point of a rash action, not because of the material goods that could be stolen, but my family is very important to me.

I agree. That said, anytime our vehicles leaves our property and we're parked other than in our driveway, my wallet is on me and my wife has her purse (if she takes it) AND the doors are locked without any valuables in plain sight.

This woman apparently left her purse in her vehicle AND the vehicle was unlocked. That's not putting the blame on her for someone elses actions, but common sense should tell you that if you leave a vehicle in a walmart parking lot with the doors unlocked, you may actually run a good chance that someone may open your door and take what you have. Apologies, when I see facial piercings in a mug shot, common sense isn't what first comes to my mind (could be a huge white butt zit, and if it is, I was wrong).