1943 2N winch tractor

[Kirk-NJ]

Yes. But I had written that if it dropped down. IF the winch was dropped down then the pulling point would be below the axle centerline. Then there wouldn't be a flipover if the angle of pull was down below the centerline. I should have added that in the statement.

You are absolutely correct in that trying to move the tractor or connecting the winch line to SOMETHING above the centerline would allow the tractor front to raise up.

It is a moot point though as we have been told that it is solid mounted in place. The safety part in that case is that front end being chained to an immovable object to prevent rising.

With it hooked up to the 3pt even below center line there is no down pressure so it would continue to raise the front end until the top of the arms were all the way up. If you continued to get it gas you would likely bend or break something on the 3pt and could cause a roll over.
The front of my tractor frame will be anchored

Kirk

 

[Soundguy]

The part about the axle rotating helps make it clear. My 8n will pull the front wheels with a 900lb implement on the back. Can not get to the clutch fast enough to keep from flipping, has been proven to many times.

yup.. same thing that winch would do hooked to a firm enough load, IF it had been on the 3pt. Eventually the lift would raise to a level that would then let the front come up. ( traction and other factors will influence this.. )

 

[lennyzx11]

You still aren't getting it, with the 3pt not being a fixed device, dropping it down under the axle means zilch, nada, as the action of pulling the load can still make the hitch rise and rotate that tractor around its axle. Remember, nothing holds the 3pt down but gravity. Pulling action and a sufficient load will RAISE the 3pt.

Its not a moot point, these posts are archived. We don't want son unsuspecting person reading them down the line and get the idea that a winch on a non fixed point under the axle is fine. Its the non fixed point that is the issue, not just the fixed winch in this pos, but the talk of a non fixed 3point one that could be a problem

I understand. Soundguy is correct.
The moot point and what I meant was that The tractor is NOT being moved. If the winch is tightened, then the pulling force would be below the axle centerline.

However, I am wrong as Soundguy points out.
As the tension is applied on the cable, the winch will be picked up from being in the middle between the load and the tractor. So it moves up(nothing to hold it down) Once it moves up to that center of pull is above the center of the axle it will then be applying leverage with the rear axle as the fulcrum and raising the front end up.

Once the front end get's up to where the Center of gravity is behind the axle centerline vertically, the tractor would tip over backwards.

This hasn't ever happened to me but I have been told by some very old and experienced farmers that this happens "**** Quick" Quicker than you can get your foot on the clutch/pto/throttle etc and stop it.

Soundguy, am I off the hook now for bad information?

 

[mapper]

If the front of the tractor is going to be hooked to an anchor point I think I would build safety screens for both front and back, cables under high tension are not something you want to be around unprotected.

 

[CalG]

First!

I like the look of that tractor and attached equipment! Very sturdy and professional!

Second!

That thing will haul a lot of material with only a bit of common sense! Don't let the nay sayers get the best of it, They have no clue and are going off "internet wisdom".
I've seen lesser stuff do a lot!

Third!

Hooking up front alleviates all the issues. Just make the anchor stout. There is no sense in planning for an immovable object meeting an irresistible force.
Use good sense!

Enjoy

Tell us how you make use of it!

 

[RickB]

First!

They have no clue and are going off "internet wisdom".



Hooking up front alleviates all the issues. Just make the anchor stout. There is no sense in planning for an immovable object meeting an irresistible force.
Use good sense!

Enjoy

Tell us how you make use of it!

Better to have "internet wisdom" than exhibit none at all.

The risk of injury or death from a flying failed cable is not mitigated by anchoring the front bumper. A cage is necessary. Period.

 

[CalG]

Better to have "internet wisdom" than exhibit none at all.

The risk of injury or death from a flying failed cable is not mitigated by anchoring the front bumper. A cage is necessary. Period.

Some people learn to use their common sense. Some don't have much of that at all. A cage is better than nothing.

 

[CobyRupert]

Hey look guys...chill....

It's a nice restoration and is adequately equipped with the latest safety features

...of 1943.

It is what it is.

 

[VroomVroom]

Nice. I like it. Not sure why they don't put a chasis straight through the tractors like that anyway. Takes the strain off the tractor itself. How is the winch coupled to the PTO? Must of been quite the rig back in the day. Big winch, I would be cautious where it is a little high, and just the great force I'm sure that can exert. Looks like a skid plate under there too? Take it easy on the loads, even if you figure she could pull it. Like to see it in action.

 

[Kirk-NJ]

I moved a couple of logs around last year when I first got the tractor running just to make sure the winch worked properly.
Planning on also using a snatch block and mats.
Also a photo of the drive chain which runs off the pto.
The capstand section of the winch has been removed so i could move the wheels in to make it easier to maneuver on the trails in the woods.

Kirk