Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

[California]

Except your basis for facts is totally wrong.

Here's Cowlitz PUD's fuel breakdown: Fuel Mix | Cowlitz PUD

I run my EV directly from power supplied by them.

80.5% Hydro
9.2% Nuclear
4.9% Coal
3.1% Wind
1.8% Natural Gas
0.5% Other

Not quite as much renewable here, roughly 30% hydro and renewable (wind etc), 45% natural gas, -0-% coal, and a quarter purchased outside so undefined, at the sites where I would most likely charge. The two columns here represent the sources for my home in town and ranch (primary destination), and therefor my eventual use if I ever buy an EV. This mix isn't all petrochemical based.

For $3~6 more per month I could join a program for 100% renewable source. I'm not that much of a purist! But we do subscribe to the peak cutoff plan that turns off only the A/C a few hours per year. I'm cheap, that program offers substantial savings and I'm usually away at the ranch on the peak days anyway so we feel little impact.

 

[/pine]

And you continue to completely ignore the obvious real world correlates of those temperatures. Plants blooming earlier, fish migration earlier, ice melting faster, etc etc. Those observations aren't fudged or corrected.

Don't know why you rest your entire argument against AGM on the notion that a government conspiracy has generated "false" temperature readings. The process by which corrections were made was quite transparent. The scientific community debated and then accepted the changes. Additional, non US government, databases show similar temp trends without using the NOAA corrections. And, the temps continue to rise year to year within the NOAA dataset using the same adjustment formula.

You are hung up on a non issue.

First a short lesson in real science...there is nothing known to man (as we know our species) that is active or reactive anywhere in the known universe that can't be associated with some type of cyclical realizations...There is nothing we know of that is not inert anywhere that does not have cycles both long and short term...both large and little picture wise...


Here is the way it played out...The green left VIA al gore decided that wind, solar and other types of renewable energy was better than paying and relying on the fossil fuel companies...The whole "hole in the ozone layer" fiasco gave them fodder to come up with the green house gas theory/issue (primarily) CO2...causing warming etc...SO...they go to work trying to use increased CO2 numbers to correlate with warmer temps...but until they got to about 1930 through the 1990's something they found that didn't relate even though the CO2 output was increasing globally...the global temperatures were not showing any increase...in fact they were actually showing a cooling trend...

So...they went and changed the TOB's to make the data work in their favor for the 80 year hiatus...
There is no conspiracy theory...the above is absolute fact...they only adjusted the data for the dates they could not live with...

BTY...You will not hear anything from a lot of scientists and intellectuals that were previously receiving funding in any way...They almost all have signed non disclosure agreements that bar them from publishing anything that may differ from their previous employers or benefactors etc...but just watch and learn...the **** is going to hit the fan and when it does it will be so funny...

 

[California]

...even though the CO2 output was increasing globally...the global temperatures were not showing any increase...in fact they were actually showing a cooling trend..

You will not hear anything from a lot of scientists and intellectuals that were previously receiving funding in any way...They almost all have signed non disclosure agreements

==== quoting Newsweek

"The majority-Republican House of Representatives declared Friday that climate change is a national security threat while passing a defense spending bill. A section calls global warming a direct threat to the national security and instructs the Pentagon to create a report on how climate change could affect the military.

"[recently...] The president put Scott Pruitt who has long advocated against climate scientists and environmentalists, in charge of the Environmental Protection Agency

======

EPA, meet Defense. Two different realities.

But really, discussion of this controversy belongs over in Friendly Politics. There is a nice thread going on there on exactly this topic.

 

[buickanddeere]

Except your basis for facts is totally wrong.

Here's Cowlitz PUD's fuel breakdown: Fuel Mix | Cowlitz PUD

I run my EV directly from power supplied by them.

80.5% Hydro
9.2% Nuclear
4.9% Coal
3.1% Wind
1.8% Natural Gas
0.5% Other

Those are facts.

Now are you willing to admit that you might be wrong here and there's some nuance or are you going to misdirect and change the topic like everyone else does when we bring this up?

Your limited companion is like being the best football player on the combined resident and staff football team at a nursing home. Use a national average of all States.

 

[buickanddeere]

Just curious, are you familiar with Superchargers/DCFC? I usually spend tops 10 minutes on my SW Wa -> Seattle -> SW Wa trip(~300mi roundtrip) if at all depending on weather. Aside from that I always have a fully charged car every morning and 275mi of range covers my daily use just fine.

My big gripe with hydrogen is there's no infrastructure for it while Tesla already has a complete supercharger network that covers the entire US(and most other countries too).

Who can afford a hobby toy such as a Tesla for transportation ? btw how about the reliability issues of the drivetrain ?

 

[Egon]

Who can afford a hobby toy such as a Tesla for transportation ? btw how about the reliability issues of the drivetrain ?

Electric motors - reliability - industrial applications - continuous service! Compared to a gasoline motor?

Aside from the prime mover other aspects of the drivetrain should parallel those of the ICE vehicle.

 

[Egon]

Your limited companion is like being the best football player on the combined resident and staff football team at a nursing home. Use a national average of all States.

What's wrong with using figures that apply directly?? Reality??

 

[IslandTractor]

Who can afford a hobby toy such as a Tesla for transportation ? btw how about the reliability issues of the drivetrain ?

Tesla 3: $35,000
Ford F-150: $28000-60000
BMW 3 series $40000+
Land cruiser $80000

Quite a few folks apparently.

 

[vvanders]

Your limited companion is like being the best football player on the combined resident and staff football team at a nursing home. Use a national average of all States.

There's the misdirect.

The assertion was that EVs across the US are mostly powered by hydrocarbons, if you live in the PNW(and a bunch of other places) that's not the case.

Or do you want to agree that in some areas EVs aren't dependent on carbon based power generation?

 

[vvanders]

Who can afford a hobby toy such as a Tesla for transportation ? btw how about the reliability issues of the drivetrain ?

A, this dude.

B, 55k miles no issues. 8-year, unlimited mile warranty which is better than you'll find on any ICE car.

Here's the deal, a car like a Tesla is something that I normally wouldn't buy(my previous car was a '03 Saturn Ion w/ 145k on the odo worth about $500). However I think that if no one buys them, they won't get built and the industry will wither(see GM's EV1).

Therefore I found it worth *my* money to invest in an American company, building an American product here in the US. Foremost, it's an incredible piece of technology and I think we should continue to keep the US as a powerhouse of technology and not see it go off to other countries. I work with engineers who's come to the US from across the world on a daily basis and they come here because we play a central role in the modern tech industry.

Maybe that's misguided, maybe it's not. Even if global warming ends up being a hoax we'll still have built and refined a type of transportation that's a heck of a lot of fun to drive .