Dog training (shock) collar

[Valveman]

I have an 8 year old lab. Smartest dog I ever had. I used a shock collar on him when he was young, but I used it differently than the experts say to do. He picked up commands like come, sit, stay very quickly. I only used the shock collar to protect him from dangerous things. He never knew it was me doing the shocking. Every time he got shocked he came running to me for protection. I would hide and watch him in the yard and around the house. When he tried to go out the open gate, shock. When he stuck his head in the trash can, shock. When he got close to a rattlesnake I had killed and placed nearby, shock. When he got in front of the golf cart, bicycle, car, shock. I'll bet overall I never had to use it more than 10 times. To this day he will not go out the open gate without me. He won't even touch the cat food, which is right next to his bowl. Skunks, porcupines, coyotes, snakes, he stays clear of. Extremely careful of cars, bikes, etc. Never had to use it again.

Now my son has a Sheppard that is a completely different story. He knows when the shock collar is on him, and usually behaves like a saint. But he will just grit his teeth and take it full strength, and just keep doing what he wants sometimes. Very hard headed dog. The minute you take off the collar he is right back to being bad.

 

[teejk]

I have an 8 year old lab. Smartest dog I ever had. I used a shock collar on him when he was young, but I used it differently than the experts say to do. He picked up commands like come, sit, stay very quickly. I only used the shock collar to protect him from dangerous things. He never knew it was me doing the shocking. Every time he got shocked he came running to me for protection. I would hide and watch him in the yard and around the house. When he tried to go out the open gate, shock. When he stuck his head in the trash can, shock. When he got close to a rattlesnake I had killed and placed nearby, shock. When he got in front of the golf cart, bicycle, car, shock. I'll bet overall I never had to use it more than 10 times. To this day he will not go out the open gate without me. He won't even touch the cat food, which is right next to his bowl. Skunks, porcupines, coyotes, snakes, he stays clear of. Extremely careful of cars, bikes, etc. Never had to use it again.

Now my son has a Sheppard that is a completely different story. He knows when the shock collar is on him, and usually behaves like a saint. But he will just grit his teeth and take it full strength, and just keep doing what he wants sometimes. Very hard headed dog. The minute you take off the collar he is right back to being bad.

A few of the shock collars come with a "dummy" collar to trick the dog into thinking he/she has to behave.

 

[TomSeller]

I lost our first dog - young black lab - to a very sneaky pack of coyotes. They sent a young female, who was probably in heat, into my yard. He followed her down the hill and into the valley where three or four more were waiting. I sure hope they enjoyed black lab for breakfast.

Okay, okay, we get it

For some reason your post must not have seemed to go through? 3 slightly different posts.

 

[Sigarms]

I lost our first dog - young black lab - to a very sneaky pack of coyotes. They sent a young female, who was probably in heat, into my yard. He followed her down the hill and into the valley where three or four more were waiting. I sure hope they enjoyed black lab for breakfast.

We've got smarter yotes around here, the females yotes dress up in lingerie.

Can anyone provide any studies other than a urban myth?

 

[oosik]

OOPS - sorry, my bad. Have a satellite IP, some times things get a twitch screwed up when the wx is stormy.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Shock collars are great for aversion conditioning. If you want to snake-proof a dog or train them to stay off the road, they are just the thing. That said, they are worthless for training. Shock a dog that doesn't understand why it is being shocked and you will ruin the dog.

 

[plowhog]

I have never used a shock collar and never will. I also have never lost a dog to an accident or predator and I have had dogs all my life. Fences, voice control (and boatloads of training/work to get the voice control) are all I have ever needed.

My thoughts exactly-- right up until now. I just bought a shock collar but have not used it yet. I never worried about our female Goldens at the ranch property. They liked to stay near us, and they were not "hunters." Our latest, a 2 yr old male Golden, is a big concern. We have coyotes, bobcats, and bears. If know if he is off leash and sees a coyote *** bam *** he will be gone-- off to chase or "play" with it. He has a very strong hunting/chasing instinct. It's weird to have a big beautiful property where a dog can run but confine him to a leash. Never done that before. Never needed to do it before. But until I get a shock collar working with results, he stays on the leash. Just a big difference from our other dogs.

 

[teejk]

Shock collars are great for aversion conditioning. If you want to snake-proof a dog or train them to stay off the road, they are just the thing. That said, they are worthless for training. Shock a dog that doesn't understand why it is being shocked and you will ruin the dog.

I don't agree. Our dog knew when he was not obeying commands so he exactly why he got the zap. As noted above, it literally took 2 days for him to "get his mind right" and after that 99% of the "reminders" were of the harmless audio variety. We had a neighbor that had a problem with a big yellow lab and he mentioned to my wife that they were thinking of getting rid of him. She suggested the shock collar. That dog is still there and the neighbor is eternally grateful.

 

[N80]

Our last Lab did not need a shock collar. Super smart and always wanted to please. Our current one, now about 15 months old, is also smart, but a little more hard headed about barking and bolting when he sees something he likes. We got a cheapo shock collar. We have used it about 4 times. He got the picture quick and no more problems.

I did not like using it but it worked like a charm and I made sure he knew who was shocking him and why. He yelped the first time. Not the second time. After that we just used the tone, just a few times.

Our neighbor two doors down has a Lab he can't control. Very sweet dog but bolts when she sees a squirrel or another dog. I offered him our shock collar. He said he does not 'believe' in that sort of training. He'll believe his dog is dead when it gets hit by a car though. Several close calls already. I just don't understand some people.

 

[Sigarms]

It's weird to have a big beautiful property where a dog can run but confine him to a leash. Never done that before. Never needed to do it before. But until I get a shock collar working with results, he stays on the leash. Just a big difference from our other dogs.

Currently we have 40 acres and are down to 4 dogs. 3 dogs wear "shock collars".

In the past, we've had other dogs who have used shock collars (up to 6 at one time). Some of those pets have since past away.

The only "training" we do with the collars is to keep the dog on our property.

Very rarely do we ever have to use the shock mode once a dog has been "zapped". The key is to hit vibrate first, and if they don't come, then shock. Dogs not being stupid, get the idea pretty quick.

Our dogs are usually always within eyesight of us when we're out walking them, however, with a couple of "hunting dogs" in particular, sometimes they do get a bug up their butt and they are off. The vibrate mode generally gets them back.

We brought one small Heinz 57 mix into the fold and EVERY dang time we opened that door, OFF he went running to the neighbors. Pain in the butt everytime to get him back because he didn't want to come with you called him and you had to walk around the barbed wire fence (where he ran under it). 2 days with the collar on and has been perfectly normal around the house, although we tend to find him sneaking off back to the neighbors from time to time (couple of our neighbors leave trash and food outside, and it gets the dogs attention pretty quick).

Personally fond of the Dogtra brand myself. Did have to replace batteries one time, other than that, been very reliable. I have however found that if the dog is on the other side of a hill. the collar may not recieve the signal from the transmitter.