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There are situations where both systems are used together. My car tyres are 235 / 55R 18. Metric, metric, Imperial.

Back in the 70/80s when this Country was changing to Metric units the question about retaining the inch-and 7/8th towbar balls or changing the standard to 2inches (50.08mm) was raised by the Standards Committee. The Engineers I worked with recommended that we retain the 1 7/8. One of the basis for their recommendation was that the thousands and thousands of trailers throughout the country would have 1 7/8 receivers and would all have to be changed.
 
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Carpentry in feet and inches is needlessly complex. Try to calculate the distance from the end of a roof to the edge of the first of three dormers equally spaced, in a roof where the dormers and the roof itself measure some odd numbered feet/inches/fractions of an inch. (Without a pocket calculator that does fractions, obviously).

Or work out the rise/run measurements for stairs. Be sure to allow for carpet on the stairs but not on the floor of the lower level! Dividing vertical height by number of stairs is sure to result in some weird, hard to calculate fractions for each rise.

Concrete calculations considering area, depth, volume then ordering material in cubic yards takes some figuring. Base 27 mathematics???

(Once upon a time Journeyman Carpenter here, obviously pre pocket calculators).

Conversion to Metric will be gradual, particularly because building materials are in inches, but construction calculations will be simpler after we follow the rest of the world into the modern era.

The way I work around a lot of this is by rounding and erring on the side of larger. Concrete volumes are rounded up to larger numbers that are easily calculated, or square footage for heating purposes is rounded up. This gives me a worst case scenario for other errors and makes the calcs easy to do in my head. For instance, I can then easily come up with the BTUs required and know it will be enough. Areas in houses are seen as percentages of other known areas and added together. The amounts of pipe for heating is based on a factor of 1.4 lin ft. per sq ft, for instance. If sales tax in 9%, I know it's not going to be more than 10% which is simply a decimal point move in the numbers I'm working with.

Fortunately, most of what I do doesn't require extreme accuracy, like required in machining, but it does require that I'm not short on the materials or the heat delivered. To me, time is money and the less I spend on gathering raw data the better and running out of materials is expensive.

It's funny too how numbers must make sense. Extreme fractions are comical representations of size. "Hand me that 27/64th bit John". Am I expected to divide an inch into 64 equal pieces and then gather up 27 of them to understand the size? As with the rounding for finding the materials needed, the rounding for pricing is also valid. Would you charge someone $6,127.87 for a remodel job? Or just tell them $5,900.? Which is more easily understood and which sounds better? The number 6 is more painful than the number 5, but the amounts are virtually the same. You see this all the time in car sales. "Drive this baby home for $29,999. No! it's not $30,000!

I used to be kidded for doing bids in my head on the spur of the moment, so I began to deliberately wait a couple of days to give the price, even though I knew all that time what it was. When I could not decide on the final price, I'd dial their number and decide while it was ringing what it would be, or wait until I heard their attitude during the call. Nicer gets a lower number, not worried about a budget gets a higher number, etc.

So percentages and perceptions play a large roll. Percentages, like in sizes and amounts, make calculations much easier than exact numbers, while allowing a fudge factor for errors. Perceptions form the relationships required to be successful. Perceptions permit and mandate the amounts being discussed. They are the basis for the response from the customer. In a sense, percentages are Metric.
 
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Bruce
 
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The way I work around a lot of this is by rounding and erring on the side of larger. ...

Perceptions permit and mandate the amounts being discussed. They are the basis for the response from the customer. In a sense, percentages are Metric.
:D Your bidding example shows Metric IS more natural, intuitive.


That sort of rounding you use effectively, and having that intuition to figure bids instantly, is the mark of the pro.

But my example of stairs still needs precision. Calculate the height of each riser and get it off by 1/16", that error is going to multiply by the number of stairs.

I just looked at code here, maximum rise per stair is 7 1/2". Ideal stair rise for quality construction would be less.

Quick, figure how many stairs you need to get to the second floor given first floor has 8 ft interior ceiling, + two plates above that, + 2x8" second floor joists, + modern OSB flooring 31/64" (?) + carpet!

Get the rise of each stair off by some trivial number of 1/16"s, and that error is going to multiply by the number of stairs. (Have you figured how many stairs, yet? :) ) If the last stair has all the accumulated error and is off by a perceptible amount, say 3/4 inch, it is a safety hazard. The customer or building inspector will feel it climbing the stairs, and force a tear-out and re-do.
 
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California,

Your stair example is one I've dealt with indirectly for years. Always a discussion.

We come in and pour 1 1/2" of gypsum concrete on the upper floor. The finish flooring should be decided on in advance and might be an additional 3/4". The basement level will get tile plus mortar at about 1/2" net. Then what material will the treads be?

It can be difficult for the builder when the rough stairs are already in and the owner decides to use us for the radiant heat. I'm always in the middle of the discussion and encouraging the homeowners to make up their mind on flooring, but often they can't.

Then the railing guys come in and want the pre-measured and built railing to go in right now before the finish flooring has been picked out.

Sometimes the whole house has been designed with 7 1/2" rise and a precise stair design where there is no room to fudge it.

I appreciate efficient design and use of space, but I was not able to design my place that way, and didn't need to. Everything was made larger than the minimum that I could get away with and the stairs had approximately a 6" rise and 16" treads. Fortunately I was able to compensate for a lack of design prowess with an ability to wing it and not be in a hurry. Then I'm back in the rat race where every inch and every dollar is under scrutiny.
 
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Meanwhile, back at the thread topic ....

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What a shock to see that!!!!! I can't stop laughing. Yep, back to the original thread. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

I love how she's looking back before pulling out onto the highway. Safety first!
 
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Meanwhile, back at the thread topic ....

That is no way to keep that trampoline stable !!! They should leave the car doors wide open when they drive to keep it from rolling off !!!
 
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1/2 & 3/4 refer to the ID (In inches) of the water pipes installed in UK buildings. Changing the piping is impractical and there is a lot of water piping in existence - since before the Mayflower sailed westwards. Likewwise the Mile-Marker posts on the roadside for the stage-coaches pre-Shakespeare.

Because we were colonised by the British, as you were, our pipes are similarly "called" 1/2 & 3/4, even 1 inch etc. But new building & construction is dimensioned in metric terms.

1/2 and 3/4 inch ID piping should really now be called 13 & 19mm. (Which it is on mainland Europe).

The post by 'California' on this page and 'Raspy' on P.589 are excellent contributions to this debate. :thumbsup:

All of my construction and runs to the supply houses were in and around Austria...

I did find it interesting that electrical was all metric... but plumbing was still very much not... hose bibs, copper pipe, faucets... etc.

Concrete Blocks and Windows as well as plywood all on the metric scale... after fighting it for about a day I simply gave in...

I bought a power mower at Bau Haus in Salzburg which is similar to Home Depot here... even the orange color scheme... anyway.. the mower I bought was a combination of metric and inch... go figure as this was 2010 in the heart of Europe.

Lucky for me I had brought an assortment of Craftsman tools when I built back in 1985 so no problem.

Now so much comes from China anyway... so it makes it easier for them.

Metric tools are everywhere in the States... but... Fractional USA tools almost non existent in Austria... except for some WWII era things left from the time Salzburg was occupied by the American forces.

One of my friends had a surplus military generator... it ran perfect but he really had no source for parts... he gave me the list and next trip I had it... this was pre internet... so one Spark Plug was $20 in Austria and about a $1.50 here.

Towing was interesting because often would see US military on vacation and some towed trailers with US type hitches... only "Legal" because they had US plates...
 

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