Would you buy a gas tractor

   / Would you buy a gas tractor #1  

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Wondering how many would go for a gas CUT if Kubota made one.

Do all new tier 4 Kubotas use DEF?
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #2  
I wouldn't like it, but I'm guessing the diesel cost thousands more.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #3  
I would. I didn't mind my old gas IH one bit. Always started in the coldest winter weather.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #4  
I'd buy one yesterday if it was whisper quiet, and just to get someone's attention diesel is over rated..........
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #5  
Apples vs Oranges, they all have their up`s and down`s whether its gas or diesel. Some will say diesel will outlast a gasser, i dunno, my old JD gasser is 30+yrs old, never been torn down, never failed to start and run in the past 30+yrs. Friend of mine has virtually the same tractor, but with a diesel engine... been back to the dealer more times for service than my gasser, and oh boy what a repair bill every trip he`s made there and back. So, what ever fries your bacon i guess. I love my diesel`s, but good lord do they cost money when they break down.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #6  
Yes, I would buy a gasoline powered small tractor if such were available.

Yes, diesel engines have better torque characteristics for industrial use than do gasoline engines but HP is HP. A 30 HP gasoline tractor will do as much work as will a 30 HP diesel tractor but it will likely use more (less expensive) gasoline doing so.

I've had many gasoline powered farm tractors in the past and still own and use four.

The federales have been meddling in the small tractor market for lack of other worthwhile things to do. As a result, we now have expensive DPF systems on CUTS above 30 HP or so. Such nonsense is expensive.

Currently, the federales are not concerned with gasoline powered tractors because few, if any, are offered for sale. The manufacturers have noticed this and are developing small gasoline powered tractors as we speak. Advancements made in gasoline engine technology have reduced the fuel economy and torque characteristic advantages of diesel vis a vis gasoline engines for such applications.

Stay tuned. Gasoline powered small tractors are coming and they will be less expensive than similarly sized diesel powered units at least until the federales take notice and attack them.

Finally: No, only diesel farm tractors above 100 HP or so require DEF. Smaller machines suffice with DPFs. Of course, the federales will continue to meddle so we should expect to see DEF, catalytic converters, or other nonsense on our walk-behind lawn mowers in the foreseeable future.

SDT
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #7  
I might purchase gas for second tractor use or heck of great deal.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #8  
Modern gas engines in my experience have a larger total cost of ownership after >10 years. For the typical homeowner that was a step above a lawn tractor, gas would be fine. If you already want a gas powered SCUT, the Simplicity Legacy XL is for you. Price isn't too bad either for a new tractor and loader.

However, like I said, my experience with gas engines have been nothing but issues as they get older with high hours.

My next truck will be diesel for sure too. I went from a diesel to gas pickup, and never again will I go gas in a pickup truck.

Again, just my experience with gas vs. diesel.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #9  
First of all, the oldest tractor I own in a 1968 or 69 Deutz, it's had ZERO down time and still starts and runs perfectly...

It purrs away making good power and torque for as long as you want to run it, and if it has a good batt. in it, it's always ready to go no matter how long it sets!!

Diesel is cheaper here than gas, and stores MUCH better, so why would I want to trade DOWN to a gas tractor??

NO WAY would I go back to a gas tractor!! That would be about like going back to an ex wife!!

SR
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #10  
First of all, the oldest tractor I own in a 1968 or 69 Deutz, it's had ZERO down time and still starts and runs perfectly...

It purrs away making good power and torque for as long as you want to run it, and if it has a good batt. in it, it's always ready to go no matter how long it sets!!

Diesel is cheaper here than gas, and stores MUCH better, so why would I want to trade DOWN to a gas tractor??

NO WAY would I go back to a gas tractor!! That would be about like going back to an ex wife!!

SR

I would not go back to my ex-wife either, but my Ford 3400 TLB is gas powered, and I would readily buy it again.
It is a 1970 model, and I bought it in 1986, with 1300 hours.
My ex left 20 years ago, after 34 years.
After 31 years with me, the 3400 TLB has 1850 hours, and I expect that it will easily exceed that 34 year milestone (I will be 80 then) living with me.
Sure, it is old,...... it is a toy for me.
The breakout force is impressive, and it has a 2' hoe bucket ( I have sand)
Will do a LOT more work than many of the petite hoes I read about here on TBN.
It got a complete refurbishment last year. Added a mechanical thumb too.
Looks almost like new
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #11  
We had a late 70's IH2500b tractor loader. Bought it used around 1990 and sold it about 10 years ago. It was a 4 cylinder gas engine, hydrostatic transmission, industrial tractor with a loader, and 50PTO horsepower. It had 4000+ hours on it when we bought it. Don't remember how many when we sold it. Only problems I had with it were the gear on the distributer shaft spun off once. Had it fixed. And one of the front steering castings cracked. That's about it. We sold it because it was too big for our needs once all the big jobs were done. Then we downsized to our current Power Trac PT425. It's a large lawnmower engine, a Kohler Command Pro 25HP gas engine that turns a bunch of hydraulic pumps. Works great for our needs. Coldest I recall starting it is -5F. I store it in an unheated shed. It's 16 years old with about 750 hours. Used it today brush cutting thick brambles and brush on 2 miles of trail in 90 degree heat. Made two passes at 48" wide, so 4 miles. Took less than 2 hours. I am very pleased with the gas engine.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #12  
Show me a quit diesel, I can hear them coming a mile away rocking and knocking, gas requires no hearing protection. I think todays gas engines will out last a diesel and repair/maintenance is cheaper and easier, I'd rather change spark plugs than mess with a diesel engine.

I just got off a car pool Ford van with almost 400k, nothing was ever done to the motor but change plugs&fiters,
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #13  
Show me a quit diesel, I can hear them coming a mile away rocking and knocking, gas requires no hearing protection. I think todays gas engines will out last a diesel and repair/maintenance is cheaper and easier, I'd rather change spark plugs than mess with a diesel engine.

I just got off a car pool Ford van with almost 400k, nothing was ever done to the motor but change plugs&fiters,

Show me a quiet gas motor above 10 hp that runs at rated power for extended time periods.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #14  
Show me a quiet gas motor above 10 hp that runs at rated power for extended time periods.

Are you kidding below 20 hp gas motors are 3 times louder, show me a quit chainsaw.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #15  
I won't get into the gas vs diesel debate, but I do love my '64 MF35 Utility gasser. Four cylinder Continental Z-134 fires even in the coldest of weather and never a hiccup. Never been rebuilt, and is 53 years old and still runs like a top.

When I bought it, the rock shaft cylinder had been broken clean off the lift cover, machine had been parked for 7 years. The hydraulic systems (separate loader reservoir) were full of water. I drained and flushed, filed the contacts on the points, and did a quick rewire on the ignition system because it was missing, chewed up, or in rough shape. When I bumped the key it fired right up.

Each has their place. Mine works very well for me, but I also wouldn't mind a Perkins diesel.

Nice thing about my gasser, it's ridiculously easy to repair.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #16  
Show me a quiet gas motor above 10 hp that runs at rated power for extended time periods.

Gas has it's place.

I've have two, and they both start without question even at zero F after sitting out. ;-)

The Bolens is a 23 HP, so most in line with the post topic. It's from the 80's , with the Kohler horizontal opposed side valve. Not particularly fuel efficient, but I can't tell. When the tank is low, It gets filled.

I can't say the exhaust note is quiet. I've been wanting to refit an automotive muffler., but just haven't seen the need.
As to power, There is much to draw comparisons to the B7200 . I feel the Bolens has the edge. (by the ratio of 23 to 18 ;-)
Traction is a bigger issue. Weight and tire size win every time.

The Fordson is also gas. 1950 m.y. so she is pushing 70 years. ( though about the same HP rating, I think the horses were bigger in the '50's;-)
Starts right up in all weather, delivers power to the wheels or the pto or the flat belt without a wimper. Sits for months unattended (and I never have used stabil etc)
She owes me nothing. But I expect a good day pushing snow when needed.

The Diesel tractors? I always use fuel conditioner, and need heat to get them going in winter. They are a bit smelly in operation and anywhere there is spilt fuel.
The bleeding and water in fuel issue is a royal pain in the rear. (dry gas clears all ills with the gas tractors when the situation presents)
It does seem a day's work showes on the fuel level indicator a lot less than the same day with the gassers.

Oh, did I mention the diesels were smelly and the used engine oil stains black .

I would consider a good gas tractor as long as it wasn't made cheaply for any task were fuel economy was not the driving factor.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #17  
Are you kidding below 20 hp gas motors are 3 times louder, show me a quit chainsaw.

There are some quite generators and almost all cars are quite but neither of those fit the specifications. I really don't think there'd be much difference in noise level. I think diesels that work for a living are pretty safe. I think the diesels that drive around 50 hours a year would be better suited by a way cheaper gasser.
 
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   / Would you buy a gas tractor #18  
If available I would absolutely buy a Kubota gas tractor
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #19  
I've been a diesel fan all my life, because they offer relative simplicity compared to a gas. No ignition system. Mechanical fuel injection. The ultimate in simplicity....until recently. With the federalization of diesel engines has added a lot of complexity. DEF, Tier 4, etc make a diesel as complex as a gas. I've noticed that delivery fleets (like UPS) and others are switching back to gas in their delivery vehicles. Municipalities in this area are going back to gas in their ambulances and some of their smaller fire apparatus. It may very happen with small tractors, too. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
   / Would you buy a gas tractor #20  
I thought I heard somewhere, that due to all the mandated pollution control devices on the new diesels, Kubota was looking to offer a gas engine.
 

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