Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay?

[Soundguy]

No I cannot with confirmation. Since as mentioned earlier, we are all humans, is it unrealistic to think there aren't some crooked LEOs?

I wonder,,,,, organizing professions in some sort of "honesty" order,,,,, what profession is the most honest???? What profession is the most dishonest????? What profession are you and where are you in this graph????

Last time I looked at a chart of who was the most law abiding, looking at some demographics ( and this was for florida mind you,, not the US in general )... Concealed weapon permit holders were either the top, or at the top in 'being law abiding'. IE. per capita, less arrests, less convictions for CWP holders. They were even above the Priest/Clergy category.

That is a VERY telling bit of data... CWP holders, in florida, in general, value being law abiding citizens.

 

[Soundguy]

Depending on the scenario they are all crooked/corrupt...
I doubt you will ever see a cop siding with a civilian against another cop in any type of confrontation (unless it's personal)...they will always back their comrades even if it requires them to lie...

Blue wall / shield.

 

[hawkeye08]

Last time I looked at a chart of who was the most law abiding, looking at some demographics ( and this was for florida mind you,, not the US in general )... Concealed weapon permit holders were either the top, or at the top in 'being law abiding'. IE. per capita, less arrests, less convictions for CWP holders. They were even above the Priest/Clergy category.

That is a VERY telling bit of data... CWP holders, in florida, in general, value being law abiding citizens.

Yep, because many bad guys don't bother to get permits to carry or to buy guns legally..

 

[LD48750]

Last time I looked at a chart of who was the most law abiding, looking at some demographics ( and this was for florida mind you,, not the US in general )... Concealed weapon permit holders were either the top, or at the top in 'being law abiding'. IE. per capita, less arrests, less convictions for CWP holders. They were even above the Priest/Clergy category.

That is a VERY telling bit of data... CWP holders, in florida, in general, value being law abiding citizens.

That is a nation wide thing.....
Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country | Daily Wire

 

[ovrszd]

What are you trying to do? Justify bad police behavior because other people do bad things too?

If I do something bad, it's bad regardless of my profession. It's a personal failure on my part.

The almighty group in this discussion excuse their own failings because they aren't LEOs.

Your profession most definitely has relevance along with your opinion of your peer's honesty. But then you might not want to go there. You are not alone in that reluctance here.

 

[ovrszd]

Last time I looked at a chart of who was the most law abiding, looking at some demographics ( and this was for florida mind you,, not the US in general )... Concealed weapon permit holders were either the top, or at the top in 'being law abiding'. IE. per capita, less arrests, less convictions for CWP holders. They were even above the Priest/Clergy category.

That is a VERY telling bit of data... CWP holders, in florida, in general, value being law abiding citizens.

I agree.

But I don't consider that a "profession".

 

[Sigarms]

If I do something bad, it's bad regardless of my profession. It's a personal failure on my part.

The almighty group in this discussion excuse their own failings because they aren't LEOs.

Your profession most definitely has relevance along with your opinion of your peer's honesty. But then you might not want to go there. You are not alone in that reluctance here.

Generally if we do something "bad" at work we get reprimanded, then if it keeps happening, we get terminated.

Unless it's a high profile case involving the police in a clear case of over stepping their bounds, some words may be said, but no action is taken. Generally, if some one is let go due to bad behavior, they just get picked up elsewhere.

The issue is when LEO's do something bad, it directly affects the person they interacted with forever. Tom Seller is a case in point.

 

[kenmac]

Yep, because many bad guys don't bother to get permits to carry or to buy guns legally..

that's why we ask, why are law abiding citizens taxed to protect themselves ? There should be no permits at all, bad guy aren't going to attempt to get a permit but they all will have guns

 

[TSO]

Generally if we do something "bad" at work we get reprimanded, then if it keeps happening, we get terminated.

Unless it's a high profile case involving the police in a clear case of over stepping their bounds, some words may be said, but no action is taken. Generally, if some one is let go due to bad behavior, they just get picked up elsewhere.

The issue is when LEO's do something bad, it directly affects the person they interacted with forever. Tom Seller is a case in point.

I've known a good number of officers that were terminated for behavior or complaint issues, and none of those cases were "high profile" or even "known" to the public. They were the results of either citizen complaints or activity viewed by members of the department. Some of you have this notion that all the good cops in the world will just turn a blind eye to police misbehavior by other members of their departments, but I think that is a unfair assumption that a lot of you are basing on your own personal opinions and not fact. Just because you see a couple videos on YouTube doesn't mean that the other ninety-nine percent of police encounters are happening that way. Just because you see a video on YouTube of somebody having a problem with their Kubota tractor doesn't mean that all Kubota Tractors will have that same problem, right?

And I don't mean this to come across as offensive, but we can't assume that Tom sellers version of his (brief) story is 100% true or accurate. Interesting how you will quickly jump to his defense when he makes a single statement about what, in his opinion, was a crooked cop. But at the same time, you will jump on the bandwagon against police officers who you assumed to be guilty or crooked, without knowing all the facts.

Edit: I'm sorry that (if this is really the case) Tom lost a brother. But until we have all of the facts, we can't make a fair judgement on the case or make assumptions on who was in the right/wrong.. If it turned out that an officer violated the law in his/her actions, then of course they should be held responsible.

 

[Soundguy]

I agree.

But I don't consider that a "profession".

Ahh.. the smoke screen answer.. The data I proposed was inconvienient, so you choose not consider it. Nice touch. Whether or not CCw holder is a profession or not, it is at least a trackable demographic, and it was placed against other demographics that DID involve professions.

For instance, in that US study that LD posted.. CCW holders have a lower crime rate than police officers.

quoted text:

Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10 That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there's no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states.".........The main takeaway from the report: concealed carry permit holders are the most law-abiding group in the country



Heck.. looking at that data, a police officer dealing with a CCW holder at a stopped vehicle should be HAPPY they have stopped a CCW holder, as they are the most law abiding faction of society. The police officer is statistically safer pulling over a CCW holder, than pulling over another police officer!

Gotta love cold hard data...