2538 50hr not changing trans fluid.

[mike35549]

Took my 2538 to the dealer for 50 Hr service. Was told they had quit changing out the Hyd/Trans fluid during the 50 Hr just change filters and top off for loss while changing filters. I am sure they would have changed the fluid if I had said to change it anyway. Just wondering if anyone else has heard of any other dealers doing this. There is no doubt that the fluid is not hurt after 50Hrs. I never really understood changing it at 50hr. He said Everything else is done same as always. Replace all other fluids and all filters.

 

[tracydj]

My dealer said the same thing when I took my 2538 in for 50 hour service. They also didn't change hydro when I took it in for the 100 hour service last weekend. He said that they will do it at 200 hours.

 

[JerryK]

I changed the fluid in my 5035 at 50 hours. The sump screen was full of grey iron dust from the gears/etc doing their initial lapping in. There was some bigger stuff, too. I did it again at 400 hours and everything was pretty clean. I am glad I did the change early at the 50 hour mark. But that 's just me....

 

[millsan1]

I am coming up on my 50 hours and I will be doing all fluids and filters, but just cleaning the trans screen, no sense replacing that.

I figure it is cheap insurance against future failure.

 

[Navasot]

meh...

 

[1tandem]

Took my 2538 to the dealer for 50 Hr service. Was told they had quit changing out the Hyd/Trans fluid during the 50 Hr just change filters and top off for loss while changing filters. I am sure they would have changed the fluid if I had said to change it anyway. Just wondering if anyone else has heard of any other dealers doing this. There is no doubt that the fluid is not hurt after 50Hrs. I never really understood changing it at 50hr. He said Everything else is done same as always. Replace all other fluids and all filters.

I just finished 50 hour service on 2538. Seems like a waste of good fluids. Original technician was a best, needed pry bar to loosen plugs & filters. Used TSC fluids, 80W90 in frt. axle, prem. universal transmission fluid, & Shell T5 in engine. Filters from Mahindra dealer. Window to check fluid level in final drive is well hidden, it is there, just hidden by shield. At least I will not do another service for a year & by then I'll have forgotten the issues I had.

 

[dickfoster]

Took my 2538 to the dealer for 50 Hr service. Was told they had quit changing out the Hyd/Trans fluid during the 50 Hr just change filters and top off for loss while changing filters. I am sure they would have changed the fluid if I had said to change it anyway. Just wondering if anyone else has heard of any other dealers doing this. There is no doubt that the fluid is not hurt after 50Hrs. I never really understood changing it at 50hr. He said Everything else is done same as always. Replace all other fluids and all filters.

I changed both the fluid and the filter. In my opinion, the first change is the most critical as this is the one that gets all the junk from the gears lapping in and such. I will not change it again at 100 hours but will go straight to the normal change schedule. I think it odd that they call for changing the filter at 50 and the fluid at 100 since it's somewhat idiotic as the fluid drains when you remove the filter. At least it does on mine.

 

[CincyFlyer]

I'm going to hit 50 hours this weekend (Mahindra 2540).
I'll not only change the engine oil, the front axle, and the transmission/hydraulic oil, I'm going to drain all of the hydraulic cylinders as well after reading about the sludge; I'm prepared for a fifteen gallon change, with the loader and the backhoe and tree grabber. Then it will be a while before I touch the transmission. Already have my TSC premium universal fluid, I just need to run to the dealer for filters.

 

[raptor0690]

Took my 2538 to the dealer for 50 Hr service. Was told they had quit changing out the Hyd/Trans fluid during the 50 Hr just change filters and top off for loss while changing filters. I am sure they would have changed the fluid if I had said to change it anyway. Just wondering if anyone else has heard of any other dealers doing this. There is no doubt that the fluid is not hurt after 50Hrs. I never really understood changing it at 50hr. He said Everything else is done same as always. Replace all other fluids and all filters.

It seems like the dealers & manuals are all over the place about this. I talked to the dealer about mine last week 11-7-17, and they told me all filters and fluids must be replaced. I checked my owners manual and the only things stared for service at 50 hrs are the engine oil/filter, tranny/hst oil and filters and the front axle oil. The fuel filters and air filter show nothing necessary until 500 hrs. For me I'll change the hst/tranny oil and swap out with synthetic ,when I do the filters anyway. I see no need to do fuel and air filters until the 500 hr mark or at least once a year. I wish they were consistent about the service requirements.

 

[e5wd6114]

It seems like the dealers & manuals are all over the place about this. I talked to the dealer about mine last week 11-7-17, and they told me all filters and fluids must be replaced. I checked my owners manual and the only things stared for service at 50 hrs are the engine oil/filter, tranny/hst oil and filters and the front axle oil. The fuel filters and air filter show nothing necessary until 500 hrs. For me I'll change the hst/tranny oil and swap out with synthetic ,when I do the filters anyway. I see no need to do fuel and air filters until the 500 hr mark or at least once a year. I wish they were consistent about the service requirements.

Fuel Filters are critical in a HPCR engine...as such they should be changed at least every oil change regardless of the mfg recommendation...especially if the unit sits for long periods of time allowing moisture to build in the fuel system. Changing out the Trans/Hyd fluid is critical at 50 hours as all of the metallic debris from the gears, pumps, and valves from break in should be removed.

 

[JerryK]

Fuel filters and air filters are real conditional on your tractor use.... If you always buy clean fresh diesel and keep your tank top'd off as much as possible, your fuel filter could last for years. You should check and clean the air prefilter when you get a chance, and again, the internal air filters can last for years, too. It's hard for them to know what each user is experiencing, so they err on the replace it all the time side....

 

[raptor0690]

Fuel Filters are critical in a HPCR engine...as such they should be changed at least every oil change regardless of the mfg recommendation...especially if the unit sits for long periods of time allowing moisture to build in the fuel system. Changing out the Trans/Hyd fluid is critical at 50 hours as all of the metallic debris from the gears, pumps, and valves from break in should be removed.

I plan on changing all the fluids like I said, it doesn't make sense to change filters and leave old fluid in there. but the fuel filters at 50 hrs have about 35 or so gallons of fuel through them. I run 40-50 gallons of fuel through my 2010-2017 diesel trucks every couple days sometimes and change the fuel filters about a couple times a year every 10,000 miles. Im not against doing extra maint, just against wasting money. I really think Mahindra should be consistent on their service from dealer to dealer and in the manuals.

 

[BTDT2]

I plan on changing all the fluids like I said, it doesn't make sense to change filters and leave old fluid in there. but the fuel filters at 50 hrs have about 35 or so gallons of fuel through them. I run 40-50 gallons of fuel through my 2010-2017 diesel trucks every couple days sometimes and change the fuel filters about a couple times a year every 10,000 miles. Im not against doing extra maint, just against wasting money. I really think Mahindra should be consistent on their service from dealer to dealer and in the manuals.

+1. Changing fuel filters at every oil change is a waste of money and resources. Just follow the factory oil and filter change recommendations and stop trying to second guess the engineers that built the engine :cool2:

 

[e5wd6114]

I plan on changing all the fluids like I said, it doesn't make sense to change filters and leave old fluid in there. but the fuel filters at 50 hrs have about 35 or so gallons of fuel through them. I run 40-50 gallons of fuel through my 2010-2017 diesel trucks every couple days sometimes and change the fuel filters about a couple times a year every 10,000 miles. Im not against doing extra maint, just against wasting money. I really think Mahindra should be consistent on their service from dealer to dealer and in the manuals.

The more fuel goes through the filters the longer they will last, many casual tractor owners don't even run the engines enough to get the fuel warm which compounds condensation and moisture issues. If you use your tractor at least an hour every time you use it and keep the tank full then waiting unitl 500 hours isn't an issue, but 90% of the users on this forum will never get their fuel above room temperature and should replace them every oil change. The manuals are consistent it is the dealers who need to read them or consult their Mahindra Rep.

 

[e5wd6114]

+1. Changing fuel filters at every oil change is a waste of money and resources. Just follow the factory oil and filter change recommendations and stop trying to second guess the engineers that built the engine :cool2:

CP3 Pump $2000, Fuel Rail $500, Fuel Injectors $570 EACH, and Labor or Fuel Water Separator $13 and Fuel Filter $54...it's a no brainer to change them early if you do not use your tractor enough to keep the moisture out. It would take a LOT of fuel filters and water separator elements to come close to equaling the damage caused by water and contaminants in the fuel! I think the extra $70 in parts and 15 minutes in labor is cheap insurance against an expensive repair bill...especially when damage caused by contaminated fuel IS NOT COVERED UNDER WARRANTY!

 

[duffer]

Just wondering if anyone else has heard of any other dealers doing this.

To answer your question, yes, my dealer told me the same thing. He said to wait til at least 300 hours.

 

[raptor0690]

CP3 Pump $2000, Fuel Rail $500, Fuel Injectors $570 EACH, and Labor or Fuel Water Separator $13 and Fuel Filter $54...it's a no brainer to change them early if you do not use your tractor enough to keep the moisture out. It would take a LOT of fuel filters and water separator elements to come close to equaling the damage caused by water and contaminants in the fuel! I think the extra $70 in parts and 15 minutes in labor is cheap insurance against an expensive repair bill...especially when damage caused by contaminated fuel IS NOT COVERED UNDER WARRANTY!

I understand what your saying and it makes sense in most ways, however it really wasn't the point. First for me I've only had this tractor for several weeks and already 3/4 way to the 50 hr service so mine doesn't sit around much. My point was i googled the 50 hr service and found different info about changing all filters/fluids to not changing tranny/hst or fuel filters ect. So I stopped in at my dealer and they say all filters and fluids must be changed (even though other dealers say different). My manual clearly states fuel and air are OK till 500 hrs (i'll do mine at least once a year no matter hrs.). I guess I wonder why the dealers follow something different than the manual. Of course I would change $70 in parts to save a big repair, any normal person would. It would be great to have the final word from Mahindra on what is necessary, not random dealer opinions.

 

[e5wd6114]

The dealer should be adhering to the manual and not opinion unless the manual has a misprint, which does happen in translation from time to time.

 

[s219]

I plan on changing all the fluids like I said, it doesn't make sense to change filters and leave old fluid in there.

For engine oil, that is true, because of the way the oil is contaminated and degraded. But for hydraulic fluid, there is no equivalent problem, and it's perfectly fine to change the filters only at 50 hours. Hydraulic fluid can go many hundreds of hours before it needs replacing, and at 50 hours it's practically new. You'll just be wasting fluid and money changing it out so soon.

 

[mbohuntr]

At 50 hrs, every bit of milling, grinder dust, casting sand, filings or whatever is floating thru your fluid systems... One complete changeout is cheap insurance against early wear.... IMHO...