Alcohol vs marijuana

[dieselcrawler]

The State of Vermont just released toxicology results on a driver that this past summer crossed the center line, hit a pickup and killed himself and three others with him. The toxicology results revealed that the driver was high on THC (marijuana ingredient). Although Vermont hasn't legalized recreational marijuana yet, we need to realize that just as someone who has too much alcohol in their system is a danger on our roads, that someone with too much THC in their system is also a danger.

What about the loss-of-life accidents where that person who just got off work from a night shift, who falls asleep at the wheel? I work nights, and often feel more impaired than the times I was years ago while high. There are cases to support nearly any scenario you want, if you look for them.

I work nights, and pull over and nap when I start nodding off... fingers crossed that I continue to do so early enough.

 

[wagne223]

By him saying he doesn't like the way it makes him feel, I take that to me he tried it and didn't like it.

Anywho... still a very civil conversation going on here.

You are correct, I drank Alcohol and smoked weed for a short period in my early twenties. Never mixed the 2, it was either or.
Regretfully on a hand full of occasions I drove under the influence of each.
Thankfully, I was in a rural town and I did not cause a crash.

That period, along with years of being around friends and family that use both is where my "experience " comes from.

 

[RSKY]

This made me chuckle.

The truckers drove electric powered tuggers that had a 2200 pound battery. One guy had bodies painted on the side for everybody he hit until he was removed from the job.


Have recently been indirectly involved in setting up a procedure where a school system gets food to kids who have nothing to eat on the weekends. The parents spend all their money on pot and booze.

Y'all see people smoking to relax. I see young parents neglecting their kids, beating their kids, and ignoring their kids.

I have little use for hard drinkers or drug users of any kind.

RSKY

 

[dieselcrawler]

The parents spend all their money on pot and booze.

Y'all see people smoking to relax. I see young parents neglecting their kids, beating their kids, and ignoring their kids.

I have little use for hard drinkers or drug users of any kind.

RSKY

Obviously not following my motto of 'All things in moderation'... which makes it easy to understand why your opinion is as it is.

There is a difference between the ones you reference, who have no self control and would be classified as addicted in my opinion, and the ones like myself and some others who drink one or 3 beers, and not the whole case in any given day. I smoked we nearly daily for 15 years, and went without when I had to, because bills and food came first.

 

[ovrszd]

Obviously not following my motto of 'All things in moderation'... which makes it easy to understand why your opinion is as it is.

There is a difference between the ones you reference, who have no self control and would be classified as addicted in my opinion, and the ones like myself and some others who drink one or 3 beers, and not the whole case in any given day. I smoked we nearly daily for 15 years, and went without when I had to, because bills and food came first.

I agree. Easy to condemn other's "inadequacies" while ignoring your own.

 

[Doofy]

Uh, didn't parents use to feed their children? Coulda swore that I did. Your kids ate before you did.

 

[Dadnatron]

Once MJ is lawful, then the next step we can take is to make cocaine lawful. Then as long as you are that far with stoners making the laws, why not heroin or any other mind altering drug. It is our own body and can do what we please with it (sarc..).

What is wrong with that line of thinking?

 

[Dadnatron]

The State of Vermont just released toxicology results on a driver that this past summer crossed the center line, hit a pickup and killed himself and three others with him. The toxicology results revealed that the driver was high on THC (marijuana ingredient). Although Vermont hasn't legalized recreational marijuana yet, we need to realize that just as someone who has too much alcohol in their system is a danger on our roads, that someone with too much THC in their system is also a danger.

So.... what you are saying is that despite the fact that it is ILLEGAL to smoke pot and drive in Vermont... it still happens. And THAT is an argument to keep it illegal? DUI is illegal and covers this issue. Vermont had a double whammy in that it is illegal to smoke it... and to drive while Under the Influence.

And yet... somehow the driver didn't get the memo?

 

[goeduck]

I think you live in an liberal environment to the extreme and are not in touch with the rest of the vast majority of America. Most of the rest of the country is looking to what happened in Colorado and the rest of the left coast as a gigantic mistake not to replicated.

My wife currently has two forms of cancer, she has cronic spinal issues, cronic arthritis issues, genetic issues, on and on. The traditional doctors can’t do much for her but thankfully we live in a “liberal environment” (your words) where she can legally buy pot with the CBD (not the stuff that makes a person “high”). The CBD is a miracle for her and allows her to walk and go and have lunch with her friends, etc. I no longer have to help her get out of bed and assist her around the house so it is a benefit to me as well. The country will eventually legalize pot, there is no stopping it in my opinion. What would my wife’s life be like in Texas? Please respond.

 

[3930dave]

What is wrong with that line of thinking?

It may not have been, but assuming that is a real question......

Concerning recreational drugs, my issue is what goes on in public spaces. Massive advances in vehicle design in the last 50 years have lead to safer vehicles - human nature being what it is, those changes have also lead to more spectacular high-speed accidents. Lives have been saved, including the idiots driving drunk/stoned causing the accidents.

It doesn't have to be driving related. Several coffee shops in this area have been evacuated due to people smashing up cars, building interiors, and waving knives around - any chance drugs were involved ?

Freedom to do what you want ? If somebody wants to hike out to a cabin in the middle of nowhere and get totally _________ up, burn the place down w/o starting a forest fire, or OD - then go for it.

But, the story doesn't usually go that way - people abusing drugs recreationally are causing massive problems on our roads and other public spaces. The "hidden" effects are still there, as has been touched on, within the households those people live in.

The choices we are talking about have huge impacts beyond the abuser, including sometimes fatal ones on total strangers.

Rgds, D.